Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-03-2009, 07:11 AM
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09-03-2009, 07:16 AM
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I would agree history has proven your point on scope. However I sense a change is blowing in the wind with the interest in LEC 44 positions and the strength of fNWA unionists. You are essentially leveraging your position and pay with the agreement of a flow through agreement. I concur we need your agreement for a flow through agreement but are you willing to risk it all on pay?? I see your on avatar you're 200 Captain. With the way Ma Delta is cutting 50 seat jets, do you really have such a secure position to remain steadfast in your leveraging ability?
09-03-2009, 07:18 AM
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Never going to fly. Delta pilots have to be selected by Delta standards.
It is a mistake to think that just because someone has 1000 PIC in the RJ he/she should be moved(deserves/entitled to/just as good as others) up to the majors.
Given a chance to interview on percentage basis of total qualified applicants - another story.
It is a mistake to think that just because someone has 1000 PIC in the RJ he/she should be moved(deserves/entitled to/just as good as others) up to the majors.
Given a chance to interview on percentage basis of total qualified applicants - another story.
09-03-2009, 07:22 AM
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09-03-2009, 07:22 AM
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Wow, John & Joe have ruined another webboard. I hated their ranting when I worked for a regional and I equally hate them now that I'm at a major. Please just go back to flightinfo and fight with general lee.
09-03-2009, 07:23 AM
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I don't think it would be fair for us to come over with DOH seniority. But I would want to keep my LONGEVITY for pay and benefits putposes (including DOH for PASS BENEFITS). But for bidding purposes, it shouls be a straight staple to the bottom. That way we keep our DCI seniority, no one gets bumped, and we can bid mainline equipment as new positions open... behind all current DAL pilots.
My main question to you was in regards to the red portion above. How do you get stapled, but protect "your" seats and have access to "our" seats as your seniority allows? That sounds like a one way fence to me and I don't see how you can have it both ways. In my mind either you forgo the right to bid into any equipment larger than what you currently operate and in return you cannot be bumped down your list. Or you take your chances with being temporarily bumped down, (or maybe up depending on what type of flying you like), in return for the right to bid anything in the system as your DAL seniority allows.
09-03-2009, 07:38 AM
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I would agree history has proven your point on scope. However I sense a change is blowing in the wind with the interest in LEC 44 positions and the strength of fNWA unionists. You are essentially leveraging your position and pay with the agreement of a flow through agreement. I concur we need your agreement for a flow through agreement but are you willing to risk it all on pay?? I see your on avatar you're 200 Captain. With the way Ma Delta is cutting 50 seat jets, do you really have such a secure position to remain steadfast in your leveraging ability?
How will you hold up with DAL continuing to outsource to the lowest cost providers? Your biggest threat is the Mesas, Colgans, and Go Jets of the world. Now's your big chance to take ALL scope back in house. Sounds like you guys have a lot more to gain than we have to lose.
09-03-2009, 07:38 AM
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09-03-2009, 07:39 AM
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No. Feel free to take your business elsewhere. It's a free country.
09-03-2009, 07:44 AM
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I can respect wanting to keep longevity for pay and bennies, I would want that too if I were in your position. Whether it's do-able or not, I don't know. Maybe a scenario like ACL laid out. I personally would not be on board with the pass travel DOH carry over. I know you don't like it, but that's how I feel and would not support any proposal that included that provision.
Originally Posted by Jay5150;672472My main question to you was in regards to the red portion above. How do you get stapled, but protect "your" seats [I
and [/I]have access to "our" seats as your seniority allows? That sounds like a one way fence to me and I don't see how you can have it both ways. In my mind either you forgo the right to bid into any equipment larger than what you currently operate and in return you cannot be bumped down your list. Or you take your chances with being temporarily bumped down, (or maybe up depending on what type of flying you like), in return for the right to bid anything in the system as your DAL seniority allows.
The biggest sticking point I can see is , as ACL65 mentioned, it will be hard to integrate the DCIs. ASA will probably have to take a pay cut to get a DCI average pay rate.
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