Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-22-2013, 09:56 AM
The Brown Dot +1
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In 1990 though, what kind of 70 seaters were out there? The BAE146 for sure, with it's 4 APUs, but it'd been competing with 61 732s and 36 DC93s. Was there anything like the CRJ700/900 or E170/175?
I'm game and I'll pay $100 to the Delta Pilot Charitable Fund IF any PWA or JPWA put up for member ratification by DALPA does not include any one of the following:
So to recap, I'll HAPPILY pay $100 if not any one of those four points is put up for memrat. And if any one of those happens to be in there- I'll pay anyways since it's a good charity. But you have to give to the DPCF and admit why.
I'm game and I'll pay $100 to the Delta Pilot Charitable Fund IF any PWA or JPWA put up for member ratification by DALPA does not include any one of the following:
- An increase of DCI/outsourced seating beyond 76 seats per jet, or
- An increase in the size of the 71+ seat fleet to 226 or more jets,
- An increase in the size of the 51-70 seat fleet to 103 or more jets, or
- An increase in the total 51+ seat fleet to 326 or more jets.
So to recap, I'll HAPPILY pay $100 if not any one of those four points is put up for memrat. And if any one of those happens to be in there- I'll pay anyways since it's a good charity. But you have to give to the DPCF and admit why.
Also, recall the 76 seat line in the sand wasn't put up for memrat.
08-22-2013, 10:20 AM
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I think the small jet scope was pretty decent considering your metric.... red font is mine...
The big win was the international and JV language, which was all but non-existent in the pervious PWA...(and was diluted to a 3 year lookback and remains to be seen whether it will be enforced). How much stronger is our hand WITH C2012 JV language now that the Virgin Atlantic deal is imminent (Is it just me or didn't management walk away from negotiations on VA language just last week?)!?
The big win was the international and JV language, which was all but non-existent in the pervious PWA...(and was diluted to a 3 year lookback and remains to be seen whether it will be enforced). How much stronger is our hand WITH C2012 JV language now that the Virgin Atlantic deal is imminent (Is it just me or didn't management walk away from negotiations on VA language just last week?)!?
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08-22-2013, 11:02 AM
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second part: Not a chance!
I have it on pretty solid info that the MEC will absolutely enforce the AFKLAZ JV language... But it's not a violation until it's a violation. The Company has the chance to fix it: chances are slim to none!
You'll have to call your rep, but I am not aware of the Company "walking away" from any Virgin Atl. negotiations
08-22-2013, 11:37 AM
Da Hudge
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AMR 12yr rates as of 1/1/15. . . DAL 12yr CA
Group 1 CA $118.63 . . . . . 717 . . 195.19
Group 2 CA $174.46 . . . 88/32/73 . 205.56/209.31/216.92
Group 3 CA $188.06 . . . . 757/767 . 226.21
Group 4 CA $221.63 . . . . 33/78/777 . 255.28/258.90/270.25
AMR 12yr rates . 1/1/16 . . DAL CA 12yr 1/1/15
Group 1 CA $138.79 . . . . . . 717 . . 195.19
Group 2 CA $204.11 . . . . 88/32/73 . 205.56/209.31/216.92
Group 3 CA $220.04 . . . . 757/767 . 226.21
Group 4 CA $259.31 . . . . 33/78/777 . 255.28/258.90/270.25
Gp 1 All aircraft less than 118 seats
Gp 2 MD80, all 319/20/21 and 737 variants
Gp 3 757/762/763/A300
Gp 4 764/787/777/A330/A350
Group 1 CA $118.63 . . . . . 717 . . 195.19
Group 2 CA $174.46 . . . 88/32/73 . 205.56/209.31/216.92
Group 3 CA $188.06 . . . . 757/767 . 226.21
Group 4 CA $221.63 . . . . 33/78/777 . 255.28/258.90/270.25
AMR 12yr rates . 1/1/16 . . DAL CA 12yr 1/1/15
Group 1 CA $138.79 . . . . . . 717 . . 195.19
Group 2 CA $204.11 . . . . 88/32/73 . 205.56/209.31/216.92
Group 3 CA $220.04 . . . . 757/767 . 226.21
Group 4 CA $259.31 . . . . 33/78/777 . 255.28/258.90/270.25
Gp 1 All aircraft less than 118 seats
Gp 2 MD80, all 319/20/21 and 737 variants
Gp 3 757/762/763/A300
Gp 4 764/787/777/A330/A350
08-22-2013, 12:41 PM
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Gotcha... Just wanted to show that the AA rates get a "me too" average at DOS+36 and then 2%/yr after that (can't remember if they get to keep averaging in the next years until amendable).
Other unions piggy backing on ALPA again....
Other unions piggy backing on ALPA again....
08-22-2013, 12:57 PM
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Your post was too forward looking for there to be any data to support a conclusion one way, or the other. I still maintain that the 717 is an interim solution if the C Series isn't priced out of the market.
The C Series is a leap nearly as significant as the 787 is. Eventually every airline will have some version of a 787. Boeing priced the 787 aggressively and now has the problem of needing to sell about 1,300 of them before they see the first dime of profit. Bombardier does not have a 737/767-Tanker & military sale cash cow to milk while it awaits a return on it's investment. Pratt, for their part, is such a believer in their GTF that they're spinning up to produce these in huge numbers. They think they'll eventually get the NB sales lead from GE.
Unfortunately, outsourcing is an economic issue. We don't know what management will pay, or what price our MEC might accept, to outsource members' jobs.
I keep hoping we might return to the days when alter ego was properly perceived as the very existential threat that it is to labor. We will not have a decisive victory until we make a moral stand ... that no Delta pilot's job gets sold. Until then, I don't think anyone can make an accurate guess where this goes.
08-22-2013, 01:06 PM
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08-22-2013, 01:12 PM
Da Hudge
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Also to be fair, keep in mind that AA contract was a bankruptcy concessionary contract. They got raises in bankruptcy.
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08-22-2013, 01:14 PM
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08-22-2013, 01:16 PM
Can't abide NAI
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