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Old 08-21-2013, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom

Serious Question (for any and all):

My nephew emailed me and asked: Do have any idea what the future of the 100-seaters is going to be? I know the Japanese and Russians are trying to re-enter the aerospace market, plus there is the new Bombardier plane. I'd imagine that there would be a decent market for planes in size between a CRJ700 & an A319?

I briefly explained the scope clause concept, and the history over the last 20 years of ever larger size, and numbers of, regional jets being operated by non-mainline carriers. But where's it go from here? Will the next negotiating team again trade larger regional jets (or more of them) for pay rates (admittedly with the approval of the Delta pilots)? Or will they (the negotiating team, and/or the MEC, and/or the Delta pilot group) hold the line on scope? Would Delta buy a 100 seat aircraft in significant numbers if it was operated by Delta pilots?

Curious as to others' thoughts...
If that is what you told him, you need to go back and correct this misinformation. Delta had UNLIMITED 70 seaters in 1990. Unlimited. And the line stayed at 70 until bankruptcy, where it went to 76. So, in reality, our scope section on 70 seaters is much TIGHTER than it was 20 years ago, and the line has only moved 6 seats in 23 years. At that rate, the regionals might see 100 seaters in another 100 years...

And for the naysayers, I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. I'll bet anyone $100 (payable to the Delta Pilots Charitable Fund) that DALPA won't permit anything bigger than 76 in the next contract. Any takers?
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Old 08-21-2013, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
Delta Launches New Seattle Service to Seoul and Hong Kong - Aug 21, 2013

DELTA LAUNCHES NEW SEATTLE SERVICE TO SEOUL AND HONG KONG
NEW ROUTES POSITION SEATTLE AS A LEADING WEST COAST GATEWAY WITH SERVICE TO THE TOP FIVE ASIAN MARKETS
Aug 21, 2013

SEATTLE, Aug. 21, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSEAL) will add new daily nonstop service from Seattle-Tacoma International Airport to Seoul-Incheon International Airport and Hong Kong International Airport (both subject to government approval) beginning June 2 and June 16, 2014, respectively. Tickets will be available for purchase Aug. 24, 2013.

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"By offering new service from Seattle to Seoul and Hong Kong, Delta will now offer customers service to the top five destinations in Asia," said Mike Medeiros, Delta's vice president – Seattle. "Our expanding Seattle network, combined with investments in our aircraft, the airport and the community shows our commitment to become Seattle's premier international carrier."

Medeiros was recently tapped to lead Delta's overall Seattle strategy, which encompasses expanding airport operations, alliance partnerships, corporate customers and government and community involvement.

Delta is able to offer new service to Seoul and Hong Kong due to strong support of from its local Seattle and Pacific Northwest customers as well as its strategic partnership with Alaska Airlines. The new service will complement existing service to Shanghai, Beijing and Tokyo. All five destinations are the leading commercial centers in the region, a benefit for corporate customers traveling between the U.S. and Asia.
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Old 08-21-2013, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
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And let's feed with our metal, not "theirs!"
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Old 08-21-2013, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
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Wasn't there some discontinued service also?
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Old 08-21-2013, 03:40 PM
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KIX is being discontinued, so it is a wash for the ER cat in SEA. 330's get to go to HKG so a gain for them.
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Old 08-21-2013, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudder
KIX is being discontinued, so it is a wash for the ER cat in SEA. 330's get to go to HKG so a gain for them.
If Richard buys more A330's to serve it, it's a gain for EVERYBODY.
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Old 08-21-2013, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
And for the naysayers, I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. I'll bet anyone $100 (payable to the Delta Pilots Charitable Fund) that DALPA won't permit anything bigger than 76 in the next contract. Any takers?
That's any easy bet to win for you, since it makes no financial sense for Delta to put a 100 seat jet at the regionals. Simply because the fleet would not be big enough, and the overhead to high to be cost effective. That might change with the new MRJs, but not for another decade.

However, management does want to replace all our current 50 seaters with 70-76 seat jets. That's where the line is, with more of the same. Delta is replacing its 50 seater routes with 70/76 seaters, and the current 76 seater routes will be flown by new, used mainline jets. ALPA is very much on board with this plan.
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Old 08-21-2013, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

And for the naysayers, I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. I'll bet anyone $100 (payable to the Delta Pilots Charitable Fund) that DALPA won't permit anything bigger than 76 in the next contract. Any takers?
Let's see your bet on the pending AF/KLM non-compliance that DALPA's preparing to give up.

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Old 08-21-2013, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
I wonder if ALPA will ignore this new one as perfectly as they did the last....
Which part was ignored? All of it? And you know this.... how again?
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Old 08-21-2013, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FL370
Wait! You've seen the results and know that the negotiators got close to what we wanted? Amazing how that argument goes both ways.
Mmmmm not really. He never said that it did. It is up to the Captain to prove that it was ignored.
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