Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-13-2013, 01:36 PM
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I'm ATL based and a commuter...I've never gotten an extra day of pay just because I commute. Prior to the new hotel -for- training policy, I bought a lot of rooms out of my own pocket.
Brakechatter, I think lots of guys and gals respect what you stand for and your support of all pilots. From one dude to another, you need to step back and take a breath. I know there's other things going on in your life that might bias your views today and it may be throwing you off kilter a bit.
My two cents.
Brakechatter, I think lots of guys and gals respect what you stand for and your support of all pilots. From one dude to another, you need to step back and take a breath. I know there's other things going on in your life that might bias your views today and it may be throwing you off kilter a bit.
My two cents.
08-13-2013, 01:44 PM
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I'm ATL based and a commuter...I've never gotten an extra day of pay just because I commute. Prior to the new hotel -for- training policy, I bought a lot of rooms out of my own pocket.
Brakechatter, I think lots of guys and gals respect what you stand for and your support of all pilots. From one dude to another, you need to step back and take a breath. I know there's other things going on in your life that might bias your views today and it may be throwing you off kilter a bit.
My two cents.
Brakechatter, I think lots of guys and gals respect what you stand for and your support of all pilots. From one dude to another, you need to step back and take a breath. I know there's other things going on in your life that might bias your views today and it may be throwing you off kilter a bit.
My two cents.
08-13-2013, 01:48 PM
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At the risk of being the tool of the day, maybe we should emphasize improving the relocation benefits. If they close a base, it should cost the Company, not the individual.
I've been at three closed bases. I've taken a paid move twice. I've done the commute without a jumpseat. I live in base now. I'd rather live elsewhere, but that will have to wait for retirement. I'm not willing to commute anymore.
We've done a lot to make commuters lives better. Why not improve the moving benefits? The Corporation can afford it. It's a cost of doing business.
08-13-2013, 02:11 PM
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In disagree that this a no/low cost item for starters.
I would also submit that you checked the box that asked if you were willing to relocate when you applied.
The problem with you is that you don't care if someone had to walk to school both ways in 8 foot snowdrifts. MY point was that I have been in your shoes, I made it work without a commuting policy, and we have made enough dispensation for commuters in our contract, IMO.
Seeing the world through "their" eyes only has burned the Delta pilots more than once. Some people never learn I guess.
As for say in the matter, I have as much as you. You instruct your reps and I will instruct mine. Expressing my sorrow was indicative that I understood your plight and felt your pain, yet arrive at a different conclusion.
I no longer carry that sympathy for you. Perhaps we may get something for getting RID of the commuter clause. Maybe that needs some costing/negotiating/changing. You would do better to keep silent on the issue, for you do not help your cause with the sleeper cells on here. Somehow I think you won't heed that advice.
So did you check the willing to relocate box?
I would also submit that you checked the box that asked if you were willing to relocate when you applied.
The problem with you is that you don't care if someone had to walk to school both ways in 8 foot snowdrifts. MY point was that I have been in your shoes, I made it work without a commuting policy, and we have made enough dispensation for commuters in our contract, IMO.
Seeing the world through "their" eyes only has burned the Delta pilots more than once. Some people never learn I guess.
As for say in the matter, I have as much as you. You instruct your reps and I will instruct mine. Expressing my sorrow was indicative that I understood your plight and felt your pain, yet arrive at a different conclusion.
I no longer carry that sympathy for you. Perhaps we may get something for getting RID of the commuter clause. Maybe that needs some costing/negotiating/changing. You would do better to keep silent on the issue, for you do not help your cause with the sleeper cells on here. Somehow I think you won't heed that advice.
So did you check the willing to relocate box?
Delta was by far my first choice airline to work for, and at the time of my interview they had a lot more bases that are now closed, and there were very few commuters, only the most senior Capts. who were commuting to ATL to the L10-11/Int. to bump up their final average earnings commuted.
BUT...if, in the interview they had told me, "Well, you MUST live in ATL, no commuting, and we are going to close BOS and MIA." I would have gotten up and left and gone to my 3rd round of interviews at American, who by the way, still has both a MIA and BOS base (and DFW and ORD, like Delta had back then) and who still have their retirements!
Last edited by Timbo; 08-13-2013 at 02:35 PM.
08-13-2013, 02:12 PM
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He would make a great Rep. It is probably difficult to carry 44 without pre ordination from Admin. It can be done, but it isn't easy.
Also we had a strong field in this last election. Capt. Cook really has done an outstanding job filling some large shoes right out of the gate.
Also we had a strong field in this last election. Capt. Cook really has done an outstanding job filling some large shoes right out of the gate.
08-13-2013, 02:25 PM
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I want to see Sheppard Smith vs. Anderson Cooper, shirtless, covered with baby oil, have a slap fight in a kiddie pool full of jello.
Who'd Win?
Place your bets men!
08-13-2013, 02:29 PM
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08-13-2013, 02:31 PM
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I think the point is that we as a group either:
a) gave up, or
b) missed out
on some other improvement in order to get a commuter policy that does absolutely nothing for non-commuters.
I see chatter's point. When ALPA starts negotiating for one demographic (commuters) at the expense of another (non-commuters), it gets ugly in a hurry.
a) gave up, or
b) missed out
on some other improvement in order to get a commuter policy that does absolutely nothing for non-commuters.
I see chatter's point. When ALPA starts negotiating for one demographic (commuters) at the expense of another (non-commuters), it gets ugly in a hurry.
What if DALPA does a head count, and it turns out more than 50% of the pilot group are commuters?
Should that Majority then give up stuff in future contracts, for the Minority?
It is the same arguement with improving reserve QOL; if only 20% of the pilot group sits reserve, should 80% give up stuff to improve the QOL for only 20%?
Personally, I say yes. Why?
Just because you are not a commuter (or on reserve) today, doesn't mean you won't be tomorrow.
Last edited by Timbo; 08-13-2013 at 03:09 PM.
08-13-2013, 02:38 PM
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And one of the points is that no matter how much something has been improved, there will always be someone who will claim "they" should have gotten more for their contract issue de jour instead of the money going elsewhere.
To say that every single person can be made to be 100% happy with what they and everybody else got, or didn't get, is a bit naive. We're dealing with human nature here.
Therein lies the problem: the definition of fresh cheese and who is getting it will vary wildly depending on the individuals desire for certain contract improvements.
To say that every single person can be made to be 100% happy with what they and everybody else got, or didn't get, is a bit naive. We're dealing with human nature here.
Therein lies the problem: the definition of fresh cheese and who is getting it will vary wildly depending on the individuals desire for certain contract improvements.
08-13-2013, 02:47 PM
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Our Cheese! That $1Billion is just short of what the Pilot's pay cuts contributed to the Delta bottom line, every year, not to mention the $4 Billion Underfunded DB plan we gave them as well.
Pat yourselves on the backs boys, that's your money, hard at work.
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