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If you look at the 88 in ATL, it is for the most part the "line grabbers" that are WS'ing. They drop their whole line and then pick up all the easier one and two day trips (many are able to get a ton of credit that way) but are forced to WS to get to the trigger even though they might be in line for their 2nd or 3rd GS, but they can't take the chance of not getting something.
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According to Council 44, to date 130 pilots on Furlough Bypass have indicated that they will accept recall.
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I'm not advocating getting something just for commuters. I am trying to show that there is a value to the company in having pilot's commute. I think in the past, (probably way back in the past)the union has utilized negotiating capital for the ability to commute. What used to be a perk to the pilot group has now been turned on its head, it is a perk to the company.
I don't think there is anything wrong with tossing a minor bone to the commuters...btw, the new commuting policy is not really a bone, it has punitive strings attached.
I commute from a city served by rjs. I can't book the Jumpseat until an hour prior. I therefore cannot technically use the new commute policy and instead use the old one. Despite that, there have been 2 occasions when outside of my control (and I did have the JS both times) where I had to get positive space to work. Basically if you cancel an rj and everyone flows to the next flight which is an rj your commuters aren't getting to work. Because I had the Jumpseat, nothing bad happened and I think the company pulled the letters.
Some pilots live in cities that have mainline service to their base. The current commute policy probably works fine for them, but even in their case, getting to work can be challenging at times.
IMO, getting some sort of policy which would get you to work with a reasonable guarantee of success would be wonderful. Maybe something like 1 day out, if there is a seat, you could book positive space to work, even on rjs...not home, that would be unnecessary.
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I'm not advocating getting something just for commuters. I am trying to show that there is a value to the company in having pilot's commute. I think in the past, (probably way back in the past)the union has utilized negotiating capital for the ability to commute. What used to be a perk to the pilot group has now been turned on its head, it is a perk to the company.
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There are a bunch of categories (and certainly mine) that start and end their trips with a deadhead. This is by definition a commutable trip via positive space. I doubt seriously if the company will sustain this type of practice because, most of the deadheads are to active bases.
I don't think there is anything wrong with tossing a minor bone to the commuters...btw, the new commuting policy is not really a bone, it has punitive strings attached.
I commute from a city served by rjs. I can't book the Jumpseat until an hour prior. I therefore cannot technically use the new commute policy and instead use the old one. Despite that, there have been 2 occasions when outside of my control (and I did have the JS both times) where I had to get positive space to work. Basically if you cancel an rj and everyone flows to the next flight which is an rj your commuters aren't getting to work. Because I had the Jumpseat, nothing bad happened and I think the company pulled the letters.
Some pilots live in cities that have mainline service to their base. The current commute policy probably works fine for them, but even in their case, getting to work can be challenging at times.
IMO, getting some sort of policy which would get you to work with a reasonable guarantee of success would be wonderful. Maybe something like 1 day out, if there is a seat, you could book positive space to work, even on rjs...not home, that would be unnecessary.
I don't think there is anything wrong with tossing a minor bone to the commuters...btw, the new commuting policy is not really a bone, it has punitive strings attached.
I commute from a city served by rjs. I can't book the Jumpseat until an hour prior. I therefore cannot technically use the new commute policy and instead use the old one. Despite that, there have been 2 occasions when outside of my control (and I did have the JS both times) where I had to get positive space to work. Basically if you cancel an rj and everyone flows to the next flight which is an rj your commuters aren't getting to work. Because I had the Jumpseat, nothing bad happened and I think the company pulled the letters.
Some pilots live in cities that have mainline service to their base. The current commute policy probably works fine for them, but even in their case, getting to work can be challenging at times.
IMO, getting some sort of policy which would get you to work with a reasonable guarantee of success would be wonderful. Maybe something like 1 day out, if there is a seat, you could book positive space to work, even on rjs...not home, that would be unnecessary.
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I'm not advocating getting something just for commuters. I am trying to show that there is a value to the company in having pilot's commute. I think in the past, (probably way back in the past)the union has utilized negotiating capital for the ability to commute. What used to be a perk to the pilot group has now been turned on its head, it is a perk to the company.
The company is still responsible for providing if necessary, and it most definitely is still a perk for the pilots, especially the as a fall back option.
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Don't get me wrong, commuting is not some altruistic endeavor. It's actually a stressful pain in the a$$. However, once you have settled in, have friends, are active in your community, belong to a church, kids have friends and activities, etc. Moving is not something you can take lightly.
In 14 years on active duty, I moved 11 times. Does this job really have that need for me to move this much. Heck, I don't even think the USAF NEEDED me to move that much.
I don't know if he even exists, but imagine the pilot who was hired into delta express. He moved to Orlando, then moved to Dallas, then moved to Cincinnati, then moved to Minneapolis then got displaced to New York.
50 percent of the seniority list commutes.
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I really don't care if you walked uphill both ways to school in 8 foot snowdrifts. Why do you disagree with a no/low cost item?
What are you sorry about? Do you actually have any say in the matter?
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If we had a decent paid move policy I, for one, would not be a commuter.
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