Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-10-2013, 06:41 PM
Da Hudge
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08-10-2013, 06:56 PM
Runs with scissors
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I don't think it works like that on Fifi, their chief test pilot flew it right into the woods, while trying to go around. At least on the 777, you CAN push the thrust levers up, and the engines WILL spool up.
But YOU have to push them up.
I guess nobody told the Asiana guys that, seems they were waiting for the airplane to do it for them.
But YOU have to push them up.
I guess nobody told the Asiana guys that, seems they were waiting for the airplane to do it for them.
08-10-2013, 06:58 PM
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By the way, I sure hope they got the ILS for the opposite runway put into the FMS prior to returning for landing.
08-10-2013, 07:04 PM
Da Hudge
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I don't think it works like that on Fifi, their chief test pilot flew it right into the woods, while trying to go around. At least on the 777, you CAN push the thrust levers up, and the engines WILL spool up.
But YOU have to push them up.
I guess nobody told the Asiana guys that, seems they were waiting for the airplane to do it for them.
But YOU have to push them up.
I guess nobody told the Asiana guys that, seems they were waiting for the airplane to do it for them.
He realized too late the protection wasn't going to kick in, threw the thrust levers up to TOGA, and the engines spooled on command- right as they were hitting the trees. You can hear it in the audio in the video. Just like on the 777, if you push the thrust levers up, they will spool and go to TOGA. It doesn't help much if your momentum is already taking you into a sea wall or trees (respectively).
He initially lied and said the airplane wouldn't let him go around... which was a lie. It later came out that he didn't understand or know of the alpha floor protection inhibit below 100 RA.
08-10-2013, 07:24 PM
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Wait, can I post on this website while on a company issued tablet? Won't they know who I am?
Hmmm. Well, I think I'll continue to post but I might change what I say, for instance, let me practice a typical FTB company issued tablet post:
Alright, first of all, I was flying today on a white slip. I got a call early this morning for an inverse assignment, I promptly got on the computer and put in for a white slip for that same trip because I'm not here to gouge. I fly on straight pay because productivity and profitability go hand in hand for me and I'm not out to take advantage of the adverse situation created by the inability of our pilots to fly more straight time on weekends. Enough said.
It takes me 45 minutes to get to the airport, I sped and got there in 40. I parked in short term parking so I wouldn't sign in late. I arrived in the crew room 25 minutes prior to show. So it's good I did that short term parking, on my own dime btw, because it can take the employee buses 40 minutes.
I walked to the gate and waited for my crew and my jet. The airplane arrived 50 prior to push. When the door opened I was standing there at the door behind the gate agent. As the agent made their welcome to Atlanta PA I walked on board and told the crew, hey, I am here, I'll take responsibility for the jet and asked for the logbook so I could review it. I got my preliminary first walk around out of the way and hooked up the air myself. The crew had failed to shut down the APU so I walked back up to the cockpit, around the FO saying good bye, and shut the APU down. That saved a lot of money.
By the time the Captain got there, 40 to show, everything was done. I had excused the previous crew, pushed 4 wheel chairs, escorted 4 unaccompanied minors, set up the box and did all the first flight checks. I asked the Captain, did you do a gate house PA? He said no. I was perturbed.
I went up to the gate house and did a great PA which of course was a great way to start the trip. I went 3 for 3 on greaser takeoffs and landings, flew VNAV to the marker every time, made every position report, saved the company 2,300 lbs combined on all three legs I flew on fuel (can't say much about the other guy), made 3 ASAPs to identify issues I saw on the line, got my TCI comment in the inrange every time on time justl ike I was hitting the window, made 6 great gate house PAs, corrected the Captain on his techniques that were not on par or up to date with the latest Memos/FCTM/FCBs/VOL1 to include push back calls and turning off seat belt sign calls, I also talked to each every one of our Gold Medallion members, and I'll stop there. I don't want to brag.
But let me tell you about my gate house PA. First, know your audience. Stand so that they can see you. Have the hat and coat on, like I do, even if it's summer. Pay attention, this is how these PAs are done:
And then I came here to help each pilot understand sicks calls are only for when you're hospitalized, that commuting is a choice, that forcing the company to pay for your move because your base closed is a choice you should never ever make and I help Purple and Carl see the error in their ways. I combated all their misunderstandings of the importance of a close working positive relationship between the unnecessary pilots union and the company. It's a marriage, no different then one you see every week on Big Love. We play the older wife who sets the tone on how the other wives act.
And how should a good wife, i.e. union, act? Well:
/posting on a company issued tablet
Hmmm. Well, I think I'll continue to post but I might change what I say, for instance, let me practice a typical FTB company issued tablet post:
Alright, first of all, I was flying today on a white slip. I got a call early this morning for an inverse assignment, I promptly got on the computer and put in for a white slip for that same trip because I'm not here to gouge. I fly on straight pay because productivity and profitability go hand in hand for me and I'm not out to take advantage of the adverse situation created by the inability of our pilots to fly more straight time on weekends. Enough said.
It takes me 45 minutes to get to the airport, I sped and got there in 40. I parked in short term parking so I wouldn't sign in late. I arrived in the crew room 25 minutes prior to show. So it's good I did that short term parking, on my own dime btw, because it can take the employee buses 40 minutes.
I walked to the gate and waited for my crew and my jet. The airplane arrived 50 prior to push. When the door opened I was standing there at the door behind the gate agent. As the agent made their welcome to Atlanta PA I walked on board and told the crew, hey, I am here, I'll take responsibility for the jet and asked for the logbook so I could review it. I got my preliminary first walk around out of the way and hooked up the air myself. The crew had failed to shut down the APU so I walked back up to the cockpit, around the FO saying good bye, and shut the APU down. That saved a lot of money.
By the time the Captain got there, 40 to show, everything was done. I had excused the previous crew, pushed 4 wheel chairs, escorted 4 unaccompanied minors, set up the box and did all the first flight checks. I asked the Captain, did you do a gate house PA? He said no. I was perturbed.
I went up to the gate house and did a great PA which of course was a great way to start the trip. I went 3 for 3 on greaser takeoffs and landings, flew VNAV to the marker every time, made every position report, saved the company 2,300 lbs combined on all three legs I flew on fuel (can't say much about the other guy), made 3 ASAPs to identify issues I saw on the line, got my TCI comment in the inrange every time on time justl ike I was hitting the window, made 6 great gate house PAs, corrected the Captain on his techniques that were not on par or up to date with the latest Memos/FCTM/FCBs/VOL1 to include push back calls and turning off seat belt sign calls, I also talked to each every one of our Gold Medallion members, and I'll stop there. I don't want to brag.
But let me tell you about my gate house PA. First, know your audience. Stand so that they can see you. Have the hat and coat on, like I do, even if it's summer. Pay attention, this is how these PAs are done:
"Delta Air Lines serves more than 160 million customers each year. Delta was named by Fortune magazine as the most admired airline worldwide in its 2013 World's Most Admired Companies airline industry list, topping the list for the second time in three years. With an industry-leading global network, Delta and the Delta Connection carriers offer service to 313 destinations in 57 countries on six continents. Headquartered in Atlanta, Delta employs nearly 80,000 employees worldwide and operates a mainline fleet of more than 700 aircraft. The airline is a founding member of the SkyTeam global alliance and participates in the industry's leading trans-Atlantic joint venture with Air France-KLM and Alitalia. Including its worldwide alliance partners, Delta offers customers more than 15,000 daily flights, with hubs in Amsterdam, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Detroit, Memphis, Minneapolis-St. Paul, New York-LaGuardia, New York-JFK, Paris-Charles de Gaulle, Salt Lake City and Tokyo-Narita. Delta is investing more than $3 billion in airport facilities and global products, services and technology to enhance the customer experience in the air and on the ground. Additional information is available on delta.com, Twitter @Delta, Google.com/+Delta and Facebook.com/delta."
Then I add in something special, like carbon offset program: "Delta's year-round carbon offset program allows customers to purchase and retire carbon offsets on delta.com to reduce the carbon dioxide associated with their travel. Retired offsets are tracked on Markit Environmental Registry. Proceeds benefit The Nature Conservancy's Rio Bravo Project, which conserves tropical forest and wildlife habitat in northern Belize. Customers who purchase a ticket at delta.com have the option of contributing to the carbon offset program at $15 per metric ton. For example, to offset the 0.56 metric tons of CO2 emitted for roundtrip travel between Atlanta and San Francisco, it would cost $8.44 per passenger. In the last twelve months, Delta and Delta customers have purchased 4,472 metric tons of carbon offsets.
In 2007, Delta became the first airline to launch a carbon offset program. The Tensas River Basin Project in the Lower Mississippi River Valley was Delta's first project with TNC and allowed the reforestation of 406.3 acres, which over time will sequester a net total of 74,177 metric tons of carbon dioxide."
Thank you.
Then I add in something special, like carbon offset program: "Delta's year-round carbon offset program allows customers to purchase and retire carbon offsets on delta.com to reduce the carbon dioxide associated with their travel. Retired offsets are tracked on Markit Environmental Registry. Proceeds benefit The Nature Conservancy's Rio Bravo Project, which conserves tropical forest and wildlife habitat in northern Belize. Customers who purchase a ticket at delta.com have the option of contributing to the carbon offset program at $15 per metric ton. For example, to offset the 0.56 metric tons of CO2 emitted for roundtrip travel between Atlanta and San Francisco, it would cost $8.44 per passenger. In the last twelve months, Delta and Delta customers have purchased 4,472 metric tons of carbon offsets.
In 2007, Delta became the first airline to launch a carbon offset program. The Tensas River Basin Project in the Lower Mississippi River Valley was Delta's first project with TNC and allowed the reforestation of 406.3 acres, which over time will sequester a net total of 74,177 metric tons of carbon dioxide."
Thank you.
And how should a good wife, i.e. union, act? Well:
- HAVE DINNER READY: Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal--on time. This is a way to let him know that you have been thinking about him and are concerned with his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home, and having a good meal ready is part of the warm welcome that is needed.
- PREPARE YOURSELF: Take fifteen minutes to rest so that you will be refreshed when he arrives. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people. Be a little gay and a little more interesting. His boring day may need a lift. Greet him with a smile. Also, work out. Run about 4 miles a day. Get the boobs up, buttocks rounded and if there is something you can't fix with a minimal diet and max work out then go under the knife. And make sure your thigh gap is large.
- GIVE IT UP. Enough said. Initiate. Ask him if there was anything on the internet, or that the other wives do, or that his secretary does on the side, that he'd like you to do? Be open to new ideas or bedroom opportunities.
- CLEAR AWAY THE CLUTTER: Make one last trip though the main part of the house just before your husband arrives, gathering up children's books and toys, papers, etc. Then run a dust cloth over the tables. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you lift too.
- PREPARE THE CHILDREN: If they are small, wash their hands and faces and comb their hair. They are his little treasures and he would like to see them playing the part. And if they question their father, make sure you give them hell and explain to them that according to your best ever lawyer their father is right and there is nothing you can do about it and you'll get em' next time.
- MINIMIZE ALL NOISE: At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise from the washer, dryer, or vacuum. Encourage the children to be quiet. If the children don't listen, send them PMs and call your friends to help shut them up. If they have a computer with an excel spreadsheet, take it from them.
- SOME "DO NOT'S": Don't greet him with problems and complaints. Don't complain if he is late for dinner. Count this as a minor problem compared to what he might have gone through that day.
- MAKE HIM COMFORTABLE: Have a cool or warm drink ready for him. Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or suggest that he lie down in the bedroom. Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soothing voice. Allow him to relax and unwind.
- SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO HIM: You may have a dozen things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first. If he says something and you know it's wrong, figure out a way to make what he said true and right. Make sure you provide him an environment where he feels to express any "new ideas" or what is sometimes referred to as "bedroom opportunities".
- MAKE THE EVENING HIS: Never complain if he doesn't take you to dinner or to other entertainment. Instead, try to understand his world of strain and pressure and his need to unwind and relax. If he wants to go to Applebees to meet up with the boys, say yes. And wait patiently for him to get home because he might have some new ideas about some bedroom opportunities.
- THE GOAL: TO MAKE YOUR HOME A PLACE OF PEACE AND ORDER WHERE YOUR HUSBAND CAN RELAX IN BODY AND SPIRIT. And be open to new ideas about bedroom opportunities.
Last edited by forgot to bid; 08-10-2013 at 08:04 PM.
08-10-2013, 07:40 PM
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
ftb writes another masterpiece!
08-10-2013, 07:50 PM
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
I've flown every day on call so far this month, which all days except last tuesday as a day off. I have 2 more days on call, and by virtue of working every day, I haven't been able to sit short call.
So, despite being down the call list, I'm first up to sit short call since I haven't sat any, thus virtually boosted to the top of the call list yet again. Love it!
So, despite being down the call list, I'm first up to sit short call since I haven't sat any, thus virtually boosted to the top of the call list yet again. Love it!
08-10-2013, 08:06 PM
meh
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 828
ftb classic.
The sad thing is how totally accurate he is... and dang if I don't recognize myself in half that stuff. I gots to relax...
The sad thing is how totally accurate he is... and dang if I don't recognize myself in half that stuff. I gots to relax...
08-10-2013, 08:28 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 589
The test pilot was trying to trigger "alpha floor" protection which takes the engines to TOGA automatically. His plan was to use it as a neat way of demoing the airplane and sending it into a go-around. He drifted below 100 feet, and just like on the 777, the protections are inhibited there.
He realized too late the protection wasn't going to kick in, threw the thrust levers up to TOGA, and the engines spooled on command- right as they were hitting the trees. You can hear it in the audio in the video. Just like on the 777, if you push the thrust levers up, they will spool and go to TOGA. It doesn't help much if your momentum is already taking you into a sea wall or trees (respectively).
He initially lied and said the airplane wouldn't let him go around... which was a lie. It later came out that he didn't understand or know of the alpha floor protection inhibit below 100 RA.
He realized too late the protection wasn't going to kick in, threw the thrust levers up to TOGA, and the engines spooled on command- right as they were hitting the trees. You can hear it in the audio in the video. Just like on the 777, if you push the thrust levers up, they will spool and go to TOGA. It doesn't help much if your momentum is already taking you into a sea wall or trees (respectively).
He initially lied and said the airplane wouldn't let him go around... which was a lie. It later came out that he didn't understand or know of the alpha floor protection inhibit below 100 RA.
08-11-2013, 12:59 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,357
Haha nice.
Wait, can I post on this website while on a company issued tablet? Won't they know who I am?
Hmmm. Well, I think I'll continue to post but I might change what I say, for instance, let me practice a typical FTB company issued tablet post:
Alright, first of all, I was flying today on a white slip. I got a call early this morning for an inverse assignment, I promptly got on the computer and put in for a white slip for that same trip because I'm not here to gouge. I fly on straight pay because productivity and profitability go hand in hand for me and I'm not out to take advantage of the adverse situation created by the inability of our pilots to fly more straight time on weekends. Enough said.
It takes me 45 minutes to get to the airport, I sped and got there in 40. I parked in short term parking so I wouldn't sign in late. I arrived in the crew room 25 minutes prior to show. So it's good I did that short term parking, on my own dime btw, because it can take the employee buses 40 minutes.
I walked to the gate and waited for my crew and my jet. The airplane arrived 50 prior to push. When the door opened I was standing there at the door behind the gate agent. As the agent made their welcome to Atlanta PA I walked on board and told the crew, hey, I am here, I'll take responsibility for the jet and asked for the logbook so I could review it. I got my preliminary first walk around out of the way and hooked up the air myself. The crew had failed to shut down the APU so I walked back up to the cockpit, around the FO saying good bye, and shut the APU down. That saved a lot of money.
By the time the Captain got there, 40 to show, everything was done. I had excused the previous crew, pushed 4 wheel chairs, escorted 4 unaccompanied minors, set up the box and did all the first flight checks. I asked the Captain, did you do a gate house PA? He said no. I was perturbed.
I went up to the gate house and did a great PA which of course was a great way to start the trip. I went 3 for 3 on greaser takeoffs and landings, flew VNAV to the marker every time, made every position report, saved the company 2,300 lbs combined on all three legs I flew on fuel (can't say much about the other guy), made 3 ASAPs to identify issues I saw on the line, got my TCI comment in the inrange every time on time justl ike I was hitting the window, made 6 great gate house PAs, corrected the Captain on his techniques that were not on par or up to date with the latest Memos/FCTM/FCBs/VOL1 to include push back calls and turning off seat belt sign calls, I also talked to each every one of our Gold Medallion members, and I'll stop there. I don't want to brag.
But let me tell you about my gate house PA. First, know your audience. Stand so that they can see you. Have the hat and coat on, like I do, even if it's summer. Pay attention, this is how these PAs are done:
And then I came here to help each pilot understand sicks calls are only for when you're hospitalized, that commuting is a choice, that forcing the company to pay for your move because your base closed is a choice you should never ever make and I help Purple and Carl see the error in their ways. I combated all their misunderstandings of the importance of a close working positive relationship between the unnecessary pilots union and the company. It's a marriage, no different then one you see every week on Big Love. We play the older wife who sets the tone on how the other wives act.
And how should a good wife, i.e. union, act? Well:
/posting on a company issued tablet
Hmmm. Well, I think I'll continue to post but I might change what I say, for instance, let me practice a typical FTB company issued tablet post:
Alright, first of all, I was flying today on a white slip. I got a call early this morning for an inverse assignment, I promptly got on the computer and put in for a white slip for that same trip because I'm not here to gouge. I fly on straight pay because productivity and profitability go hand in hand for me and I'm not out to take advantage of the adverse situation created by the inability of our pilots to fly more straight time on weekends. Enough said.
It takes me 45 minutes to get to the airport, I sped and got there in 40. I parked in short term parking so I wouldn't sign in late. I arrived in the crew room 25 minutes prior to show. So it's good I did that short term parking, on my own dime btw, because it can take the employee buses 40 minutes.
I walked to the gate and waited for my crew and my jet. The airplane arrived 50 prior to push. When the door opened I was standing there at the door behind the gate agent. As the agent made their welcome to Atlanta PA I walked on board and told the crew, hey, I am here, I'll take responsibility for the jet and asked for the logbook so I could review it. I got my preliminary first walk around out of the way and hooked up the air myself. The crew had failed to shut down the APU so I walked back up to the cockpit, around the FO saying good bye, and shut the APU down. That saved a lot of money.
By the time the Captain got there, 40 to show, everything was done. I had excused the previous crew, pushed 4 wheel chairs, escorted 4 unaccompanied minors, set up the box and did all the first flight checks. I asked the Captain, did you do a gate house PA? He said no. I was perturbed.
I went up to the gate house and did a great PA which of course was a great way to start the trip. I went 3 for 3 on greaser takeoffs and landings, flew VNAV to the marker every time, made every position report, saved the company 2,300 lbs combined on all three legs I flew on fuel (can't say much about the other guy), made 3 ASAPs to identify issues I saw on the line, got my TCI comment in the inrange every time on time justl ike I was hitting the window, made 6 great gate house PAs, corrected the Captain on his techniques that were not on par or up to date with the latest Memos/FCTM/FCBs/VOL1 to include push back calls and turning off seat belt sign calls, I also talked to each every one of our Gold Medallion members, and I'll stop there. I don't want to brag.
But let me tell you about my gate house PA. First, know your audience. Stand so that they can see you. Have the hat and coat on, like I do, even if it's summer. Pay attention, this is how these PAs are done:
And then I came here to help each pilot understand sicks calls are only for when you're hospitalized, that commuting is a choice, that forcing the company to pay for your move because your base closed is a choice you should never ever make and I help Purple and Carl see the error in their ways. I combated all their misunderstandings of the importance of a close working positive relationship between the unnecessary pilots union and the company. It's a marriage, no different then one you see every week on Big Love. We play the older wife who sets the tone on how the other wives act.
And how should a good wife, i.e. union, act? Well:
- HAVE DINNER READY: Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal--on time. This is a way to let him know that you have been thinking about him and are concerned with his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home, and having a good meal ready is part of the warm welcome that is needed.
- PREPARE YOURSELF: Take fifteen minutes to rest so that you will be refreshed when he arrives. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people. Be a little gay and a little more interesting. His boring day may need a lift. Greet him with a smile. Also, work out. Run about 4 miles a day. Get the boobs up, buttocks rounded and if there is something you can't fix with a minimal diet and max work out then go under the knife. And make sure your thigh gap is large.
- GIVE IT UP. Enough said. Initiate. Ask him if there was anything on the internet, or that the other wives do, or that his secretary does on the side, that he'd like you to do? Be open to new ideas or bedroom opportunities.
- CLEAR AWAY THE CLUTTER: Make one last trip though the main part of the house just before your husband arrives, gathering up children's books and toys, papers, etc. Then run a dust cloth over the tables. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you lift too.
- PREPARE THE CHILDREN: If they are small, wash their hands and faces and comb their hair. They are his little treasures and he would like to see them playing the part. And if they question their father, make sure you give them hell and explain to them that according to your best ever lawyer their father is right and there is nothing you can do about it and you'll get em' next time.
- MINIMIZE ALL NOISE: At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise from the washer, dryer, or vacuum. Encourage the children to be quiet. If the children don't listen, send them PMs and call your friends to help shut them up. If they have a computer with an excel spreadsheet, take it from them.
- SOME "DO NOT'S": Don't greet him with problems and complaints. Don't complain if he is late for dinner. Count this as a minor problem compared to what he might have gone through that day.
- MAKE HIM COMFORTABLE: Have a cool or warm drink ready for him. Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or suggest that he lie down in the bedroom. Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soothing voice. Allow him to relax and unwind.
- SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO HIM: You may have a dozen things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first. If he says something and you know it's wrong, figure out a way to make what he said true and right. Make sure you provide him an environment where he feels to express any "new ideas" or what is sometimes referred to as "bedroom opportunities".
- MAKE THE EVENING HIS: Never complain if he doesn't take you to dinner or to other entertainment. Instead, try to understand his world of strain and pressure and his need to unwind and relax. If he wants to go to Applebees to meet up with the boys, say yes. And wait patiently for him to get home because he might have some new ideas about some bedroom opportunities.
- THE GOAL: TO MAKE YOUR HOME A PLACE OF PEACE AND ORDER WHERE YOUR HUSBAND CAN RELAX IN BODY AND SPIRIT. And be open to new ideas about bedroom opportunities.
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