Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-01-2009, 05:37 PM
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09-01-2009, 05:38 PM
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I'd say a mainline type contract. No need to go so low that we are below ASA/CMR pay and workrules.
09-01-2009, 05:42 PM
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Can you get someone who witnessed this seminal event to come to the head of the line? Guys like pennenkamp and merchant don't count...they have an agenda!
If you listen to crew room rumors....
But you confuse me. If the rumor were true (it's not), then wouldn't it be a step that you've professed to want? Inclusion? Inclusive scope discussions? Rodney King (can't we all just get along?)
Tell me you're not getting skittish of the results you've bleated about since before you assumed this anonymous pseudonym. Maybe the JSC has been working in the direction you've wanted all along! Or not.
PLEASE....that turnip truck passed a long, long time ago.
If you listen to crew room rumors....
But you confuse me. If the rumor were true (it's not), then wouldn't it be a step that you've professed to want? Inclusion? Inclusive scope discussions? Rodney King (can't we all just get along?)
Tell me you're not getting skittish of the results you've bleated about since before you assumed this anonymous pseudonym. Maybe the JSC has been working in the direction you've wanted all along! Or not.
PLEASE....that turnip truck passed a long, long time ago.
If I had the whole picture I may be impressed. The devil is in the details.
I am for recapturing our lost flying. You know that.
09-01-2009, 05:45 PM
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You're doing a great job making an economic argument to management.
Which is more expensive, an 18 year ASA CRJ-900 payrate, or a 3 year DAL CRJ-900 Captain at our book rate? Don't forget that mainline does all your ground work at the hub, and there's a complete layer of redundant middle management, and that the DCI contract requires an "overide" if you're in compliance.
Which is more expensive, an 18 year ASA CRJ-900 payrate, or a 3 year DAL CRJ-900 Captain at our book rate? Don't forget that mainline does all your ground work at the hub, and there's a complete layer of redundant middle management, and that the DCI contract requires an "overide" if you're in compliance.
09-01-2009, 05:52 PM
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1. You are comparing 757/767 vs. CRJ200. I am comparing the DC9/Maddog pay vs. the 700 pay....Look it up.
2. Are you factoring in the lost money from each year up until your pay reaches parity? Bucking Bar has a spreadsheet that does a pretty good job with that.
3. As this DAL/NWA merger shakes out, the 1-3 year Widebody folks are going to become a thing of the past....You have many NWA folks who have spent many years in the DC9 who are going to come on over...The last few years were an exception.
2. Are you factoring in the lost money from each year up until your pay reaches parity? Bucking Bar has a spreadsheet that does a pretty good job with that.
3. As this DAL/NWA merger shakes out, the 1-3 year Widebody folks are going to become a thing of the past....You have many NWA folks who have spent many years in the DC9 who are going to come on over...The last few years were an exception.
Joe, you refuse to look at facts. I have posted them go back and read them. You only lose the first year and maybe a little the second year. And the simple fact that there is a "break even" point should let you know that you will do much, much better in the long run at mainline.
But like I said keep justifying your lot in life by comparing the highest paying ASA job to the lowest paying one at Delta.
This is your logic:
An employer offers Joe a new flying job. He will make $50/hr his first year, $90/hr his second year, $100/hr years 3 & 4, $150/hr his fifth year, and $200/hr year 10 and after.
Joe says, I'm already making $100/hr it would be crazy for me to make $50/hr. It would take 6 years to break even. I would be stupid to take your job.
09-01-2009, 05:52 PM
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Here is what ACL65 said:
"I think the majority of pilots are willing to get it on the ticket by any means necessary. Fact is that those on the list do not want to take concessions in their pay to get it here. What that means that in effect we will have to agree to some sort of "B" scale for these jets. Ugly yes, but it may be necessary to restore this profession."
09-01-2009, 05:59 PM
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You're doing a great job making an economic argument to management.
Which is more expensive, an 18 year ASA CRJ-900 payrate, or a 3 year DAL CRJ-900 Captain at our book rate? Don't forget that mainline does all your ground work at the hub, and there's a complete layer of redundant middle management, and that the DCI contract requires an "overide" if you're in compliance.
Keep typing!
Which is more expensive, an 18 year ASA CRJ-900 payrate, or a 3 year DAL CRJ-900 Captain at our book rate? Don't forget that mainline does all your ground work at the hub, and there's a complete layer of redundant middle management, and that the DCI contract requires an "overide" if you're in compliance.
Keep typing!
09-01-2009, 06:00 PM
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Hey Slow, One of my former co-workers whom I talked to today stated that something is going on between our MEC and EV's. I will not post it as you know what I am talking about.
If I had the whole picture I may be impressed. The devil is in the details.
I am for recapturing our lost flying. You know that.
If I had the whole picture I may be impressed. The devil is in the details.
I am for recapturing our lost flying. You know that.
That's what our MEC is saying also....The devil is in the details...on that we agree.
09-01-2009, 06:01 PM
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ACL65, who is running for MEC rep, said a few posts above that it would be at a "B scale" to capture the flying....Hmmm....
Here is what ACL65 said:
"I think the majority of pilots are willing to get it on the ticket by any means necessary. Fact is that those on the list do not want to take concessions in their pay to get it here. What that means that in effect we will have to agree to some sort of "B" scale for these jets. Ugly yes, but it may be necessary to restore this profession."
Here is what ACL65 said:
"I think the majority of pilots are willing to get it on the ticket by any means necessary. Fact is that those on the list do not want to take concessions in their pay to get it here. What that means that in effect we will have to agree to some sort of "B" scale for these jets. Ugly yes, but it may be necessary to restore this profession."
I also said it is a political foot ball, as it is ugly and something that every mainline MEC has tried to avoid. Read it all again, and quit putting words in my mouth. Never once did I say what I was willing to do.
09-01-2009, 06:03 PM
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What I ACL, said Joe, is that a lot of guys are willing to do that to get this flying back. The question is are the majority as the LEC and MEC speak for the majority. IE it would need to be polled.
I also said it is a political foot ball, as it is ugly and something that every mainline MEC has tried to avoid. Read it all again, and quit putting words in my mouth. Never once did I say what I was willing to do.
I also said it is a political foot ball, as it is ugly and something that every mainline MEC has tried to avoid. Read it all again, and quit putting words in my mouth. Never once did I say what I was willing to do.
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