Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-01-2009, 03:33 PM
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Quite the contrary. Most of us find it nauseating that you've been allowed to fly our aircraft for so long.
The fact you've been driving daddy's car for a while doesn't mean the keys belong to you...
With that said, when I say that "you" have been flying "our" aircraft for so long, I should point out that stopping outsourcing would have naturally shifted the definition of "us" to include "you". We're not against more qualified pilots flying Delta jets for Delta, we're against other companies poaching our flying. It's that simple.
The fact you've been driving daddy's car for a while doesn't mean the keys belong to you...
With that said, when I say that "you" have been flying "our" aircraft for so long, I should point out that stopping outsourcing would have naturally shifted the definition of "us" to include "you". We're not against more qualified pilots flying Delta jets for Delta, we're against other companies poaching our flying. It's that simple.
If they were "YOUR" aircraft, then they would be on "YOUR" certificate.
I agree that it should have never happened...But it DID HAPPEN! It would have been nice if you had "included" us...but you DIDN'T.
If wishes were horses, beggers would ride...
09-01-2009, 03:36 PM
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Why is the ASA MEC saying that LM is going to take care of ASA? Sounds like both sides are hearing this....
09-01-2009, 03:37 PM
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There are some strong hints in Delta's annual report (ASA drops from 141 aircraft under contract this year to 16 in 2020) and the plans to park a bunch of their aircraft next year.
Joe won't like it much when "his" flying is shipped to a lower cost regional like PCL or Compass.
Joe won't like it much when "his" flying is shipped to a lower cost regional like PCL or Compass.
09-01-2009, 03:41 PM
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Nu is that you in the ALPA blast email? If so sweeeettt.
And is anyone gonna set these trollers straight?
THE FLYING YOU ARE DOING IS DELTA's....NOT ASA's.
YOU ARE A CONTRACT PILOT, FLYING WHAT DELTA ALLOWS YOU TO.
YOU CANT NEGOTIATE ANY OF THAT FLYING. THE DELTA PILOTS DO.
Simply put.... the flying, the aircraft, there ALL Delta's. Don't think so? Well try fighting it when the pendelum begins to swing the other way. We'd all enjoy the laugh.
And is anyone gonna set these trollers straight?
THE FLYING YOU ARE DOING IS DELTA's....NOT ASA's.
YOU ARE A CONTRACT PILOT, FLYING WHAT DELTA ALLOWS YOU TO.
YOU CANT NEGOTIATE ANY OF THAT FLYING. THE DELTA PILOTS DO.
Simply put.... the flying, the aircraft, there ALL Delta's. Don't think so? Well try fighting it when the pendelum begins to swing the other way. We'd all enjoy the laugh.
09-01-2009, 03:44 PM
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BTW, my gross pay in august was 10,400 for flight pay alone...
09-01-2009, 03:51 PM
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On what airplane would it take you 10 years to match your CRJ200 pay? I'm on year 3 pay and my pay rate is 96.52... With the Jan 1, 2010 adjustment it'll be 100.29. That's year 3 pay and doesn't even include DC.
BTW, my gross pay in august was 10,400 for flight pay alone...
BTW, my gross pay in august was 10,400 for flight pay alone...
09-01-2009, 04:00 PM
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On what airplane would it take you 10 years to match your CRJ200 pay? I'm on year 3 pay and my pay rate is 96.52... With the Jan 1, 2010 adjustment it'll be 100.29. That's year 3 pay and doesn't even include DC.
BTW, my gross pay in august was 10,400 for flight pay alone...
BTW, my gross pay in august was 10,400 for flight pay alone...
2. Are you factoring in the lost money from each year up until your pay reaches parity? Bucking Bar has a spreadsheet that does a pretty good job with that.
3. As this DAL/NWA merger shakes out, the 1-3 year Widebody folks are going to become a thing of the past....You have many NWA folks who have spent many years in the DC9 who are going to come on over...The last few years were an exception.
09-01-2009, 04:00 PM
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You guys are working way too hard...
09-01-2009, 04:14 PM
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1. You are comparing 757/767 vs. CRJ200. I am comparing the DC9/Maddog pay vs. the 700 pay....Look it up.
2. Are you factoring in the lost money from each year up until your pay reaches parity? Bucking Bar has a spreadsheet that does a pretty good job with that.
3. As this DAL/NWA merger shakes out, the 1-3 year Widebody folks are going to become a thing of the past....You have many NWA folks who have spent many years in the DC9 who are going to come on over...The last few years were an exception.
2. Are you factoring in the lost money from each year up until your pay reaches parity? Bucking Bar has a spreadsheet that does a pretty good job with that.
3. As this DAL/NWA merger shakes out, the 1-3 year Widebody folks are going to become a thing of the past....You have many NWA folks who have spent many years in the DC9 who are going to come on over...The last few years were an exception.
I reached parity last year.
3ish year widebody folks will still be around for a while. NWA guys and DAL guys will bid around the system as their seniority allows and as bids allow... It will take it some time to play out and you're kidding yourself if you assume to know how it will actually play out. Besides, there are not many DC-9 guys with the seniority to bump me off the 767 out of ATL... but that's for a whole other thread diversion in itself with out hte coming bids will play out.
ACL- those are skills! You've long since figured out how to make the rsv system work. This is another reason why I'm voting for your best friend as rep.
09-01-2009, 04:14 PM
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