Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-02-2013, 05:51 PM
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And they'll do nothing in a future ALPA/ALPA merger.
I'm not hoping for a windfall with a potential Alaska merger, but I don't want to be butt-rammed, either--which is how it's shaping up with ALPA at the helm.
Surely, despite bond/mckaskill, we'd do far, far better SLI-wise in an Alaska merger with our own independent union than we would with ALPA. We can stand up for ourselves without national working behind the scene to sandbag us.
So I ask: Will we be in better position to succeed as a pilot group in the next merger with or without ALPA? (ALPA waterboys, please don't waste our time droning on about the "benefits" of ALPA legal, etc.)
08-02-2013, 05:55 PM
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If he can't see that he's completely ruining his cause of deposing ALPA--if that is, in fact, his cause--as the face of the DPA drive, then he has serious issues of a possibly psychotic nature. Of course, he'd never be elected if the DPA was successful, but he's still a liability to the movement.
At this point, I'm beginning to suspect he's an ALPA sleeper!
Buzz, would you support an independent union if he wasn't pulling the strings?
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08-02-2013, 05:56 PM
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Not really germane here, but lets follow your concept for a minute... Looking at recent history of pilot groups who've left ALPA.
How about USAPA?
(Notwithstanding the absolute abject failure they have been at enhancing the careers and bank accounts of their membership.)
How about FPA?
(Oh wait, they were an massively ineffective failure too!)
The pilots realized the effectiveness of ALPA and impotence of being "independent" and have been very successful since they re-affiliated.
Name a pilot group that has had better long term
success by leaving ALPA. Please, I'd love have solid examples. (.....You do realize "independent union" is an oxymoron, right?)
Who really cares "how long it takes", I care about results, the infrastructure to achieve results and influence outcomes. "Independent union"
hasn't been and won't be the solution.
How about USAPA?
(Notwithstanding the absolute abject failure they have been at enhancing the careers and bank accounts of their membership.)
How about FPA?
(Oh wait, they were an massively ineffective failure too!)
The pilots realized the effectiveness of ALPA and impotence of being "independent" and have been very successful since they re-affiliated.
Name a pilot group that has had better long term
success by leaving ALPA. Please, I'd love have solid examples. (.....You do realize "independent union" is an oxymoron, right?)
Who really cares "how long it takes", I care about results, the infrastructure to achieve results and influence outcomes. "Independent union"
hasn't been and won't be the solution.
08-02-2013, 06:00 PM
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Same could be said about ALPA when they address DPA (but not by name)--purely negative campaign. As for the rest of their talking points, it's a lot like what I see at the national level--talk up how great things are because of your actions and let the minions eat it up, and your devotees preach your propaganda as if it were scientific fact.
08-02-2013, 06:42 PM
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Atlas (though they went with the Teamsters, not independent).
Atlas' pilots voted ALPA in in the late 90's. Atlas (the company) then bought Polar and began whipsawing the two against each other. ALPA National was totally ineffective in moderating that dispute (ala TWA/American) and were voted out.
I think the lesson here is that looking to National in labor disputes between two competing airlines won't get you very far. I know, NWA/Delta were two competing airlines with a successful outcome, but we did not look to National for help. We were big boys who slugged it out on our own and made it work.
Atlas' pilots voted ALPA in in the late 90's. Atlas (the company) then bought Polar and began whipsawing the two against each other. ALPA National was totally ineffective in moderating that dispute (ala TWA/American) and were voted out.
I think the lesson here is that looking to National in labor disputes between two competing airlines won't get you very far. I know, NWA/Delta were two competing airlines with a successful outcome, but we did not look to National for help. We were big boys who slugged it out on our own and made it work.
....still want to find an example of a pilot group who left ALPA to form an independent union (oxymoron) that has been successful over the long term.
08-02-2013, 06:53 PM
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What is up with the 757s inflight entertainment recently? I have yet to be on a jet that doesn't have it written up in the last couple weeks.
08-02-2013, 06:59 PM
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The tunnel from 5 to 6 is still a pain. I call it the "Green Mile." Customers hate it.
08-02-2013, 07:01 PM
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08-02-2013, 07:28 PM
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08-02-2013, 08:38 PM
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We had a flight ops guy in the j/s that showed us a mock up of a new IFE system you access via GoGo. It was basically a refined version of the Delta.com Website that would allow you to watch movies, track the flight, see airports maps, order food, etc... Via your iPad. Rather than wasting money on the aging hardware, they'd rather make a clean, user friendly interface you can access with your laptop or tablet. It makes a lot of sense and looked really nice.
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