Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-30-2013, 02:57 PM
Da Hudge
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I moved up one number! At this pace, I'll hold a line on my narrowbody in around 3 years. 
07-30-2013, 02:58 PM
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From BB's graph above, notice that Delta shrunk 5.5%. From approx 10,500 active pilots, that's 570 pilots or so. It's pretty easy to not hire or hire less than expected when you reduce your pilot needs by twice your retirements. Folks were posting earlier that the hiring numbers and the projected fleets don't match up... I think some of this shrinkage along with productivity gains explain it pretty well. That shrinkage... gives me shrinkage!!
07-30-2013, 03:00 PM
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What if the guy swapping into said base is jr to a guy who has been trying to bid into that base for a while? I think it sounds like a way to circumvent seniority. We had this at my last airline only there was a period where a sr pilot who saw that a pilot jr to him swapped into a base was allowed to "steal" it. The whole thing was a mess and led to many heated crew room discussions. Straight seniority category bids are if nothing else transparent.
07-30-2013, 03:02 PM
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What if the guy swapping into said base is jr to a guy who has been trying to bid into that base for a while? I think it sounds like a way to circumvent seniority. We had this at my last airline only there was a period where a sr pilot who saw that a pilot jr to him swapped into a base was allowed to "steal" it. The whole thing was a mess and led to many heated crew room discussions. Straight seniority category bids are if nothing else transparent.
07-30-2013, 03:27 PM
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I strongly disagree...and it flies in the face of economics.
Should a new lawyer make the same as a partner?
Should a new-PhD assistant professor make the same as a "full" professor?
The bottom line is that newbies into many industries work much harder, but make much less, than the "old heads." This system actually incentivises the old heads to stick around. There is never a problem finding "newbies."
I do acknowledge in the example that I gave that you can move "laterally" (i.e famous professor is "stolen" by another university and starts at the top of the heap over at his new school).
But I am sure that we attempted to eliminate longevity into the pay considerations, management would want the old guys to make LESS, not the new guys make more.
Should a new lawyer make the same as a partner?
Should a new-PhD assistant professor make the same as a "full" professor?
The bottom line is that newbies into many industries work much harder, but make much less, than the "old heads." This system actually incentivises the old heads to stick around. There is never a problem finding "newbies."
I do acknowledge in the example that I gave that you can move "laterally" (i.e famous professor is "stolen" by another university and starts at the top of the heap over at his new school).
But I am sure that we attempted to eliminate longevity into the pay considerations, management would want the old guys to make LESS, not the new guys make more.
Should a new lawyer make the same as a partner?
Should a new-PhD assistant professor make the same as a "full" professor?
But I am sure that we attempted to eliminate longevity into the pay considerations, management would want the old guys to make LESS, not the new guys make more.
07-30-2013, 03:33 PM
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35 ATL717B on AE. 14 awarded, but 17 guys LEFT ATL717B by bidding into DTW717B, and one guy left it by getting reinstated, so a net LOSS of 4 seats. This means that 39 ATL717B went unfilled.
65 DTW717B on AE. 28 positions awarded (and 17 of them came from ATL717B as stated above), so 37 spots unfilled.
So we have 76 unfilled 717B spots right now, to be presented to 300 furlough-returns/new-hires.
From BB's graph above, notice that Delta shrunk 5.5%. From approx 10,500 active pilots, that's 570 pilots or so. It's pretty easy to not hire or hire less than expected when you reduce your pilot needs by twice your retirements. Folks were posting earlier that the hiring numbers and the projected fleets don't match up... I think some of this shrinkage along with productivity gains explain it pretty well. That shrinkage... gives me shrinkage!
Good news for an ending: so far as I can tell, no one moved backwards and a couple guys got reinstated!
65 DTW717B on AE. 28 positions awarded (and 17 of them came from ATL717B as stated above), so 37 spots unfilled.
So we have 76 unfilled 717B spots right now, to be presented to 300 furlough-returns/new-hires.
From BB's graph above, notice that Delta shrunk 5.5%. From approx 10,500 active pilots, that's 570 pilots or so. It's pretty easy to not hire or hire less than expected when you reduce your pilot needs by twice your retirements. Folks were posting earlier that the hiring numbers and the projected fleets don't match up... I think some of this shrinkage along with productivity gains explain it pretty well. That shrinkage... gives me shrinkage!
Good news for an ending: so far as I can tell, no one moved backwards and a couple guys got reinstated!
07-30-2013, 03:55 PM
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Don't returning furloughees get to chose where they go, that is, if they can hold it they can bid it? I'm pretty sure we had some furlough returnees in our class in 08 that weren't part of the class bid, they'd already put down where they wanted to go.
07-30-2013, 04:17 PM
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Nope, they go where they are needed.
07-30-2013, 04:23 PM
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So how exactly will this rumor affect your performance? I can't imagine I'll operate my aircraft any different after hearing the rumor then I did before.
If anything I suspect the opposite is true. The company is downplaying hiring and airplane orders are "replacement" because Wall Street hates airline capacity growth. RA is doing the best he can to get our stock price up in time for the next merger.
If anything I suspect the opposite is true. The company is downplaying hiring and airplane orders are "replacement" because Wall Street hates airline capacity growth. RA is doing the best he can to get our stock price up in time for the next merger.
I know your workload hasn't probably changed month to month on the 330, but on the NB fleets we've been getting hammered (not just in the summer-going back to december or so). I maxed out above ALV the last two months. So hiring would be a welcome sign. More people means less ramming that we get..the rammings get spread around a little more. That's how it would keep my spirits up hearing about hiring.
07-30-2013, 05:16 PM
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We had this at my previous airline as well. There was a clause where anyone senior to either one doing the swap could deny it. No swaps went through. There was always someone who would lose seniority in a category.
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