Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-30-2013, 09:39 AM
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I believe the new hire should make the same as the guy that has been here 25 years if they are both in the same category. They are doing the exact same job. We are more than experienced by the time we get here. I never believed in a pilot starting over every time he/she switches jobs. That is unique to our industry. It keeps wages down and keeps us desperate to making sure our company survives. I believe the 25 year guy is rewarded enough with everything else seniority related (vacation, schedule, etc.). I am not sure I will ever fly the bigger metal. I just don't think longevity pay is the answer. It is not my job to worry about pilot retention. If the pay rises enough, quality applicants will apply. You and I both know the pilot shortage is a farce.
07-30-2013, 09:42 AM
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I think what will be really bad is the loss of the 2L door for boarding. That is very nice for the first class passengers, and it also makes for a quicker turn around because it can be boarded while the cleaners are still in coach... How could we get Boeing to tool up that line again?
07-30-2013, 10:00 AM
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I think what will be really bad is the loss of the 2L door for boarding. That is very nice for the first class passengers, and it also makes for a quicker turn around because it can be boarded while the cleaners are still in coach... How could we get Boeing to tool up that line again?
Hell, the MD88 and MD90 should've had a 2L door, it should've been a no brainer on the 739.
Part of the benefit on the 2L door on the 757 is the lobby area it creates even if using the 1L door. the 739/88/90, its a straight long aisle. When the 88/90s are deboarding you have these massive breaks of 3-5 minutes where nobody comes off because one slow person is creeping up the aisle. Then they get off and 80-130 people come off.
It'll all be somewhat mitigated if they do 1 hour turns at a minimum. IF they try the 40 minute turns, well, they'll need to be some push back. Because 40 minute turns only works if its 180 businessmen who fly 3-5 times a week. I've had 40-45 minute turns from PBI-DTW on the 88, wanna take a guess how many WCs we get on a PBI-DTW turn?
And 80... whats up with your little witch having short hair?!? She does better with the long hair, see...
07-30-2013, 10:01 AM
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I believe the new hire should make the same as the guy that has been here 25 years if they are both in the same category. They are doing the exact same job. We are more than experienced by the time we get here. I never believed in a pilot starting over every time he/she switches jobs. That is unique to our industry. It keeps wages down and keeps us desperate to making sure our company survives. I believe the 25 year guy is rewarded enough with everything else seniority related (vacation, schedule, etc.). I am not sure I will ever fly the bigger metal. I just don't think longevity pay is the answer. It is not my job to worry about pilot retention. If the pay rises enough, quality applicants will apply. You and I both know the pilot shortage is a farce.
Should a new lawyer make the same as a partner?
Should a new-PhD assistant professor make the same as a "full" professor?
The bottom line is that newbies into many industries work much harder, but make much less, than the "old heads." This system actually incentivises the old heads to stick around. There is never a problem finding "newbies."
I do acknowledge in the example that I gave that you can move "laterally" (i.e famous professor is "stolen" by another university and starts at the top of the heap over at his new school).
But I am sure that we attempted to eliminate longevity into the pay considerations, management would want the old guys to make LESS, not the new guys make more.
07-30-2013, 10:02 AM
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Here's the thing, do we as a group want to see us have a net growth of 80 jets before you count in 30 321s and 10ish 330s? YES!
Do we want to see us hiring like crazy? Yes!
Do we want to see massive year-over-year capacity growth?! YES!
Is that Delta's modus operandi? No. Not at all.
So to me it's one of two things;
Do we want to see us hiring like crazy? Yes!
Do we want to see massive year-over-year capacity growth?! YES!
Is that Delta's modus operandi? No. Not at all.
So to me it's one of two things;
A) We're not growing capacity, net growing the fleet and hiring like mad because these orders are replacement jets for the most part and if we only netted 30 airframes or so that's just a few hundred pilots in growth and with ALV+15 and other changes maybe it's status quo outside of retirements. 
or
B) Delta management is going to change its philosophy and we're going to sneak attack something! Don't know what though, remember when we talked DFW but now you look at DFW and there's not a gate open in E. And Wall Street might not like a change in philosophy but then who cares if we own the world!
We'll wait and see. or
B) Delta management is going to change its philosophy and we're going to sneak attack something! Don't know what though, remember when we talked DFW but now you look at DFW and there's not a gate open in E. And Wall Street might not like a change in philosophy but then who cares if we own the world!
Sneak attack? Could this be Alaska??? The Board does meet soon.....hmmm?
07-30-2013, 11:13 AM
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Hell, the MD88 and MD90 should've had a 2L door, it should've been a no brainer on the 739.
Part of the benefit on the 2L door on the 757 is the lobby area it creates even if using the 1L door. the 739/88/90, its a straight long aisle. When the 88/90s are deboarding you have these massive breaks of 3-5 minutes where nobody comes off because one slow person is creeping up the aisle. Then they get off and 80-130 people come off.
It'll all be somewhat mitigated if they do 1 hour turns at a minimum. IF they try the 40 minute turns, well, they'll need to be some push back. Because 40 minute turns only works if its 180 businessmen who fly 3-5 times a week. I've had 40-45 minute turns from PBI-DTW on the 88, wanna take a guess how many WCs we get on a PBI-DTW turn?
And 80... whats up with your little witch having short hair?!? She does better with the long hair, see...
07-30-2013, 11:21 AM
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I actually bid it because after only two weeks on the 88 ATL after being displaced off of DTW dc9 I was couldn't take anymore. The 15 hour days, constant maintenance problems, horrific weather delays, etc... It has been miserable. I was so exhausted and beat down after my trips it took me days to recover. Plus I was missing holidays and weekends when everyone back home was doing fun stuff. Made me a very crabby person.
07-30-2013, 11:48 AM
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I actually bid it because after only two weeks on the 88 ATL after being displaced off of DTW dc9 I was couldn't take anymore. The 15 hour days, constant maintenance problems, horrific weather delays, etc... It has been miserable. I was so exhausted and beat down after my trips it took me days to recover. Plus I was missing holidays and weekends when everyone back home was doing fun stuff. Made me a very crabby person.
07-30-2013, 11:53 AM
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07-30-2013, 12:00 PM
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