Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-24-2013, 04:41 PM
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07-24-2013, 04:47 PM
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Wow!
From the update:
"At that point, Delta expected to grow compared to JV partners Air France, KLM and Alitalia. Due to many factors, this growth beyond our “fair share” has not occurred."
So if we were to meet the "contractually agreed to" numbers then we would be flying more than our "fair share" of the flying. No wonder DALPA does not seem too concerned about this.
This brings up numerous questions:
If the contractual number is not fair - why did we and/or our partners, and the company agree to them?
If the contractual numbers do not represent our fair share of the flying then what is our fair share?
Why don't they just say the company is not meeting its obligations and we expect them to correct it?
OBTW - Who had the great idea of a 3 year measurement window anyway?
Scoop
From the update:
"At that point, Delta expected to grow compared to JV partners Air France, KLM and Alitalia. Due to many factors, this growth beyond our “fair share” has not occurred."
So if we were to meet the "contractually agreed to" numbers then we would be flying more than our "fair share" of the flying. No wonder DALPA does not seem too concerned about this.
This brings up numerous questions:
If the contractual number is not fair - why did we and/or our partners, and the company agree to them?
If the contractual numbers do not represent our fair share of the flying then what is our fair share?
Why don't they just say the company is not meeting its obligations and we expect them to correct it?
OBTW - Who had the great idea of a 3 year measurement window anyway?
Scoop
Now I take exception to that. I say the contract defines what our "fair share" is and we are not going to be in compliance with it in on March 31, 2014. At least it doesn't look like the Company will be..... This begs the question: What will it take for the Company to be in compliance in 2014? On page one of the Update they say "......compliance is not a snapshot but a rolling three year period." That's going to be a lot of flying to make up.....
I'm going to the PUB event in Seattle in about an hour and will ask these questions....
Denny
07-24-2013, 04:48 PM
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07-24-2013, 04:53 PM
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Not only that, a couple of paragraphs above your quote they say "......, but the evidence also shows that within the TAJV, the Delta pilots have maintained their "fair share" of the work."
Now I take exception to that. I say the contract defines what our "fair share" is and we are not going to be in compliance with it in on March 31, 2014. At least it doesn't look like the Company will be..... This begs the question: What will it take for the Company to be in compliance in 2014? On page one of the Update they say "......compliance is not a snapshot but a rolling three year period." That's going to be a lot of flying to make up.....
I'm going to the PUB event in Seattle in about an hour and will ask these questions....
Denny
Now I take exception to that. I say the contract defines what our "fair share" is and we are not going to be in compliance with it in on March 31, 2014. At least it doesn't look like the Company will be..... This begs the question: What will it take for the Company to be in compliance in 2014? On page one of the Update they say "......compliance is not a snapshot but a rolling three year period." That's going to be a lot of flying to make up.....
I'm going to the PUB event in Seattle in about an hour and will ask these questions....
Denny
07-24-2013, 04:54 PM
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07-24-2013, 05:02 PM
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Not only that, a couple of paragraphs above your quote they say "......, but the evidence also shows that within the TAJV, the Delta pilots have maintained their "fair share" of the work."
Now I take exception to that. I say the contract defines what our "fair share" is and we are not going to be in compliance with it in on March 31, 2014. At least it doesn't look like the Company will be..... This begs the question: What will it take for the Company to be in compliance in 2014? On page one of the Update they say "......compliance is not a snapshot but a rolling three year period." That's going to be a lot of flying to make up.....
I'm going to the PUB event in Seattle in about an hour and will ask these questions....
Denny
Now I take exception to that. I say the contract defines what our "fair share" is and we are not going to be in compliance with it in on March 31, 2014. At least it doesn't look like the Company will be..... This begs the question: What will it take for the Company to be in compliance in 2014? On page one of the Update they say "......compliance is not a snapshot but a rolling three year period." That's going to be a lot of flying to make up.....
I'm going to the PUB event in Seattle in about an hour and will ask these questions....
Denny
Denny,
Tell them thanks. I was undecided on whether or not to renew my DPA card. This BS e-mail just made the decision quite easy. DPA card going in as soon as I get home.
Scoop - Flying my "fair share" of DAL flights.
07-24-2013, 05:04 PM
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Not only that, a couple of paragraphs above your quote they say "......, but the evidence also shows that within the TAJV, the Delta pilots have maintained their "fair share" of the work."
Now I take exception to that. I say the contract defines what our "fair share" is and we are not going to be in compliance with it in on March 31, 2014. At least it doesn't look like the Company will be..... This begs the question: What will it take for the Company to be in compliance in 2014? On page one of the Update they say "......compliance is not a snapshot but a rolling three year period." That's going to be a lot of flying to make up.....
I'm going to the PUB event in Seattle in about an hour and will ask these questions....
Denny
Now I take exception to that. I say the contract defines what our "fair share" is and we are not going to be in compliance with it in on March 31, 2014. At least it doesn't look like the Company will be..... This begs the question: What will it take for the Company to be in compliance in 2014? On page one of the Update they say "......compliance is not a snapshot but a rolling three year period." That's going to be a lot of flying to make up.....
I'm going to the PUB event in Seattle in about an hour and will ask these questions....
Denny
07-24-2013, 05:10 PM
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Wow!
From the update:
"At that point, Delta expected to grow compared to JV partners Air France, KLM and Alitalia. Due to many factors, this growth beyond our “fair share” has not occurred."
So if we were to meet the "contractually agreed to" numbers then we would be flying more than our "fair share" of the flying. No wonder DALPA does not seem too concerned about this.
This brings up numerous questions:
If the contractual number is not fair - why did we and/or our partners, and the company agree to them?
If the contractual numbers do not represent our fair share of the flying then what is our fair share?
Why don't they just say the company is not meeting its obligations and we expect them to correct it?
OBTW - Who had the great idea of a 3 year measurement window anyway?
Scoop
From the update:
"At that point, Delta expected to grow compared to JV partners Air France, KLM and Alitalia. Due to many factors, this growth beyond our “fair share” has not occurred."
So if we were to meet the "contractually agreed to" numbers then we would be flying more than our "fair share" of the flying. No wonder DALPA does not seem too concerned about this.
This brings up numerous questions:
If the contractual number is not fair - why did we and/or our partners, and the company agree to them?
If the contractual numbers do not represent our fair share of the flying then what is our fair share?
Why don't they just say the company is not meeting its obligations and we expect them to correct it?
OBTW - Who had the great idea of a 3 year measurement window anyway?
Scoop
Carl
07-24-2013, 05:30 PM
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Its not hard to see what's about to happen.
DALPA is now "constructively engaged" in both the Atlantic and the Pacific.
We all know what that means.
DALPA is now "constructively engaged" in both the Atlantic and the Pacific.
We all know what that means.
07-24-2013, 05:30 PM
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Well Scoop, our block hour ratios between us and DCI will be measured for the first time in January 2014. If unbalanced in DCI's favor, management has until July 2014 to show DALPA the plan to correct the imbalance. What if DALPA simply says: "those ratios didn't represent our fair share"?
Carl
Carl
Carl,
I agree.
How about the next time crew scheduling calls a pilot with an inverse assignment:
"This is Delta Crew scheduling - we have an inverse assignment trip for you."
"Well I know what my "contractual obligation" is, but I think I have already flown more than my "fair-share" of line flights for the month so call someone else."
How do you think that will turn out?
Scoop
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