Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-21-2013, 08:49 AM
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Dawgs,
I disagree. The longer the guys stay out the better it is for everyone below them. If all 200 guys came back 5 years ago the bottom 200 pilots who have been making a profit for DAL for 5+ years wouldn't even be DAL employees today.
So when the furloughees eventually come back the bottom guys may see guys coming in above them. It is still much better to be on the DAL seniority list with three or more years of longevity, then trying to get an interview at DAL.
Scoop
I disagree. The longer the guys stay out the better it is for everyone below them. If all 200 guys came back 5 years ago the bottom 200 pilots who have been making a profit for DAL for 5+ years wouldn't even be DAL employees today.
So when the furloughees eventually come back the bottom guys may see guys coming in above them. It is still much better to be on the DAL seniority list with three or more years of longevity, then trying to get an interview at DAL.
Scoop
If our biggest worry are the possibly 200 guys returning from an extended furlough, then we have much bigger worries!
I don't like it any more than the next guy being displaced and forced to commute again and again, but seniority is how we everything gets sorted out - pay, vacation, QOL, base, seat position and aircraft.
Capacity constraint has proven to be financially very successful for the company but came at the price of seniority progression for the pilot group. After eliminating the FE, 911, PBS, economic malaise, bankruptcy and raising of the retirement age took their toll on seniority progression this is just the latest hit.
Going forward we will have to hold the company responsible for providing regular continuous seniority progression for the pilots on property, or everything else becomes somewhat academic.
Cheers
George
07-21-2013, 08:56 AM
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07-21-2013, 08:57 AM
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I hold DALPA accountable. The company's actions and desires are predictable and dare I say understandable. This job is about more money and more time off (for all pilots BTW). DALPA gave us less time off for a few extra pennies during the last go around....don't forget those same efficiencies that we sold to the company for rock bottom pricing cost us future jobs and seniority progression as well.
07-21-2013, 09:00 AM
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Any of you guys use the "fly confirmed" option in travel net? My daughter needs to get somewhere for college on a certain day, and there in no wiggle room in the schedule, she needs a confirmed seat. I looked 2 weeks ago and the rate was about 325 coast to coast. Now its just shy of 500! Talk about the company beating up its employees over a supposed benefit! The online travel sites: expedia, travelocity, ect have better numbers than that! It really kinda ****es me off that the price for our supposed "benefit" has gone up as the time gets closer to departure date. As the dates get closer the numbers get higher on the public sites, but I think its wrong to jack it up and do the same to us employees.
Fly confirmed and fly confirmed for less, equals a fail as a benefit.
Rant over.
Fly confirmed and fly confirmed for less, equals a fail as a benefit.
Rant over.
Find the lowest fare on delta.com
Except for a few select routes, Delta typically has a pretty competitive fare.
Once you are satisfied with the lowest possible fare on Delta.com plug those flights into the "Fly Confirmed for even less" template in TravelNet.
BTW:
"Fly confirmed for less" is a joke because while it makes it sound the tickets are "refundable," unless the base fare before discount is refundable, the "fly confirmed for less" is also non-refundable.
Unless you are buying a full fare refundable fare, just go for the "fly confirmed for even less" option
I've saved about $800 to fly my family of four across the Atlantic to see the Grandparents...
Cheers
George
P.S. I'd be happy to pay a $500/year "access" fee to once a year get positive space "vacation passes" for my family.
07-21-2013, 09:11 AM
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Anyone going to the PUB events in Detroit next week? Looking to carpool to the Canton one. PM me
07-21-2013, 09:22 AM
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But how many of them get 90% pensions for eternity? What about schoolteachers? What about state congressmen? Where do you draw the line? Yes, my point is extreme, but it is symptomatic of a bigger problem. Nobody is forced to do anything. While their jobs might at times be considered heroic, they still choose to do these things, and I AM thankful that they do.
Am I denigrating their jobs? No, ya'll are simply missing the point. Sorry to be so obtuse. Keep voting for those pay raises and tax increases... They will be great right until they can no longer be paid. Ask anyone from Detroit.
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07-21-2013, 09:23 AM
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Nope. You are putting words in my mouth. But you knew that, didn't you?
07-21-2013, 09:27 AM
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C'mon T. Out of bounds. While I agree that state pensions are running dry, don't blame the recipients. Many of them chose their profession because of the retirement guarantee. Didn't you factor that in when you applied at DAL?
The problem is that the government can back up those plans (so far) while private firms cannot, unless DC rolls in with aid. My biggest ***** with pensions is that Washington chose to not bail out the airlines but did choose to underwrite the auto industry. Over time, our country has chosen to write checks we can't cash. Don't blame firefighters any more then you would blame Marines or national park rangers or cops.
The problem is that the government can back up those plans (so far) while private firms cannot, unless DC rolls in with aid. My biggest ***** with pensions is that Washington chose to not bail out the airlines but did choose to underwrite the auto industry. Over time, our country has chosen to write checks we can't cash. Don't blame firefighters any more then you would blame Marines or national park rangers or cops.
I DON'T blame the recipients, but I am done bailing everybody out too. Enough is enough. No more. It is time for personal responsibility, starting with the next person hired. Freeze everything going forward, give them all a 3% payraise and a 401(k). If they then mess it up, not my problem. Sorry.
And the first stop on this train should be the congress of the United States of America.
07-21-2013, 10:06 AM
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Denny,
They will mark you FULL after you have reached the reserve guarantee when they start assigning trips for that day or if you call and ask to be FULL. You are full after passing the reserve guarantee. They can schedule you up to ALV + 15 but you would have to be below the reserve guarantee when that happens or have a yellow slip in. You will not be scheduled for a trip after you pass the reserve guarantee unless you request it.
They will mark you FULL after you have reached the reserve guarantee when they start assigning trips for that day or if you call and ask to be FULL. You are full after passing the reserve guarantee. They can schedule you up to ALV + 15 but you would have to be below the reserve guarantee when that happens or have a yellow slip in. You will not be scheduled for a trip after you pass the reserve guarantee unless you request it.
07-21-2013, 10:15 AM
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After getting conflicting answers, I looked it up in Contract 2012. According to Section 23.S.2.d: A reserve pilot will not be required to remain on call after his accumulated credit equals or exceeds his reserve guarantee.
I'm over reserve guarantee by 8 minutes so, according to my little pea brained thinking, I should not be available the last 2 days of the month which are on call days....I'm going to call CS and confirm.
Thanks for all the replies!!
Denny
I'm over reserve guarantee by 8 minutes so, according to my little pea brained thinking, I should not be available the last 2 days of the month which are on call days....I'm going to call CS and confirm.
Thanks for all the replies!!
Denny
Amazes me that if you're rsv guarantee -1 minute that you're good for a 17+01 trip. Brilliant! edit: after reading tsquare's posts, except for him. He's not self correcting since he's never been wrong!
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