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Old 07-21-2013, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
I would wait and see. I think you have a better chance of getting back into MSP by staying on the 88. With bids every 60 days now and hiring, I would wait a year and see how the movement is for you.
The Commute to DTW is better than being the plug in MSP. I would bid 717.
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Old 07-21-2013, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by The Cavalier
Remember it was a rule needed for the intl categories and our domestic reserve schedules are not efficient enough to impact those pilots.

Perhaps I am not fully understanding your post, but the change to a reserve pilot's obligation to remain on call is substantial, even for a domestic pilot. Under prior contracts when a reserve pilot was within 2 hours of the ALV (or cap even further back), that pilot was done if he/she so desired (one could always yellow slip). Now if a pilot is under the ALV by a minute, that pilot must still be available until he/she has actually gone over the ALV. There can and will be periods when this is a significant benefit to the company.

I imagine the MEC saw the costing for the changes to the last contract and determined that this change was acceptable for the improvements the pilots attained.
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Old 07-21-2013, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Look at the hiring for the affiliated regional carriers within your brand. If the regional subsidiary hired more than your carrier furloughed the only logical answer is lack of scope resulted in your furlough.

ALPA's merger policy was watered down in anticipation of the 2000 ALPA Board of Director's meeting requests for merger policy implementation at Delta's wholly owned airlines; ASA and Comair. It was at that BOD where ALPA embarked on a policy of excluding some members of our union from the same protections enjoyed by other members of our union.

When a subsidiary is junior manning Captains from new hire classes during mainline furloughs there is no two ways about it; that is a scope failure.

Today our union continues down this road of outsourcing some members to supposably benefit other members. In a union where every job is precious, this policy is morally wrong. This terrible policy, promulgated by politicians who do not grasp even the basics of unity, are responsible for the furloughs which followed massive outsourcing during our careers.

I mostly agree with your assessment of a "scope failure". It was, and is, also a management failure. Oil at $50 will give the RJ's more breathing room, but even the larger aircraft are still inefficient at 76 seats. Delta, AMR (eventually), UAL, etc, all ran down the road of thinking RJ's would bring them success, but we know we all filed for bankruptcy.

However, management can't help themselves; they are doing again. And ALPA is reluctantly enabling.
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
If you've made ALV, you're done..... however:

Your cutoff is ALV, not RSV guarantee. Guarantee is ALV-2 typically, so if you are in between the two, welcome to contract 2012. You're good for another ~17 hours of flying.
After getting conflicting answers, I looked it up in Contract 2012. According to Section 23.S.2.d: A reserve pilot will not be required to remain on call after his accumulated credit equals or exceeds his reserve guarantee.

I'm over reserve guarantee by 8 minutes so, according to my little pea brained thinking, I should not be available the last 2 days of the month which are on call days....I'm going to call CS and confirm.

Thanks for all the replies!!

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Old 07-21-2013, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble
Perhaps I am not fully understanding your post, but the change to a reserve pilot's obligation to remain on call is substantial, even for a domestic pilot. Under prior contracts when a reserve pilot was within 2 hours of the ALV (or cap even further back), that pilot was done if he/she so desired (one could always yellow slip). Now if a pilot is under the ALV by a minute, that pilot must still be available until he/she has actually gone over the ALV. There can and will be periods when this is a significant benefit to the company.

I imagine the MEC saw the costing for the changes to the last contract and determined that this change was acceptable for the improvements the pilots attained.

I'm fairly certain The Cavalier was being sarcastic.
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by UncleSam
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They will mark you FULL after you have reached the reserve guarantee when they start assigning trips for that day or if you call and ask to be FULL. You are full after passing the reserve guarantee. They can schedule you up to ALV + 15 but you would have to be below the reserve guarantee when that happens or have a yellow slip in. You will not be scheduled for a trip after you pass the reserve guarantee unless you request it.
Thanks UncleSam. After reading the contract, that's what I think too.

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Old 07-21-2013, 07:26 AM
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Just got off the phone with CS and I'm now marked full for the month. WooHoo!

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Old 07-21-2013, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Thanks UncleSam. After reading the contract, that's what I think too.

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This is a confusing part of this contract change but a reserve is still FULL when they reach or exceed the guarantee. In categories that have very long trips (intnl) then you could be less than the guarantee when you come up for a trip and they can schedule you for as much as ALV + 15. But you have to be below the guarantee for that to happen.
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:42 AM
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Any of you guys use the "fly confirmed" option in travel net? My daughter needs to get somewhere for college on a certain day, and there in no wiggle room in the schedule, she needs a confirmed seat. I looked 2 weeks ago and the rate was about 325 coast to coast. Now its just shy of 500! Talk about the company beating up its employees over a supposed benefit! The online travel sites: expedia, travelocity, ect have better numbers than that! It really kinda ****es me off that the price for our supposed "benefit" has gone up as the time gets closer to departure date. As the dates get closer the numbers get higher on the public sites, but I think its wrong to jack it up and do the same to us employees.
Fly confirmed and fly confirmed for less, equals a fail as a benefit.

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Old 07-21-2013, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by p3flteng
Any of you guys use the "fly confirmed" option in travel net? My daughter needs to get somewhere for college on a certain day, and there in no wiggle room in the schedule, she needs a confirmed seat. I looked 2 weeks ago and the rate was about 325 coast to coast. Now its just shy of 500! Talk about the company beating up its employees over a supposed benefit! The online travel sites: expedia, travelocity, ect have better numbers than that! It really kinda ****es me off that the price for our supposed "benefit" has gone up as the time gets closer to departure date. As the dates get closer the numbers get higher on the public sites, but I think its wrong to jack it up and do the same to us employees.
Fly confirmed and fly confirmed for less, equals a fail as a benefit.

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Very much so. Ninety plus percent of the time I have been able to find a lower fare online via one of the websites you mention. It certainly is not the benefit it could be.

Good Luck.

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