Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-20-2013, 08:01 PM
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under edit.
07-20-2013, 08:10 PM
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Alright let me es-plain. Don't pay attention to the blue, red, yellow, purple and blue lines per se. I had to use the lines because while there are a lot of ways a SWA pilot can skin a cat, excel has it's limits on X Y scatter charts which would've been more appropriate. A line chart was plan B.
Anyways, pay attention to where they cross the white line of a particular category.
Where the first line crosses, it's #1 in seniority. Second is whoever is at the 25% mark, third is 50%, fourth 75% and finally the plug.
If you want to see where the furlough bypass guys are, look at the bottom and then you can mentally slide that group up. For example if you slid them up to ATLM88B, the guy at 25% on the bypass list would be junior to 25% on the 88B list there but the guy at 50% would be right about 50% on the 88B. For new hires, you can get a feel of where the plug is and more importantly what is really "senior" or "junior" not just what is the most junior position. For instance the 7ER can be junior at the bottom but very senior overall.
I made this for the bottom feeders and soon to be bottom feeders. Hope it helps.
The data is based off the June AE and the projected categories in December 2013. Not completed categories, just what they'll be in December.
Hope it helps.
Last edited by forgot to bid; 07-20-2013 at 08:21 PM.
07-20-2013, 08:16 PM
Da Hudge
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I know you're joking, but having been furloughed, I do think guys who had ample opportunities to return and didn't should have sacrificed a bit more than just longevity. I know the arguments on both sides, but there will be guys who have actually been on property for just a few months, out for over 12 years (chose to stay out for whatever reason), that will be coming back senior to guys who have been on property working (making a profit for Delta) for 5+ years. I know it would be a can of worms to come up with a future methodology, but I feel for the very bottom of our list, when we all have stagnated for so long. Lets all hope we never have to deal with another decade+ of furloughs and stagnation for future generations of pilots and this is a start of some good happenings at the big D. I appreciate all the guys in this situation and certainly understand a bit of whining from the bottom.
07-20-2013, 09:12 PM
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07-20-2013, 09:22 PM
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I know you're joking, but having been furloughed, I do think guys who had ample opportunities to return and didn't should have sacrificed a bit more than just longevity. I know the arguments on both sides, but there will be guys who have actually been on property for just a few months, out for over 12 years (chose to stay out for whatever reason), that will be coming back senior to guys who have been on property working (making a profit for Delta) for 5+ years. I know it would be a can of worms to come up with a future methodology, but I feel for the very bottom of our list, when we all have stagnated for so long. Lets all hope we never have to deal with another decade+ of furloughs and stagnation for future generations of pilots and this is a start of some good happenings at the big D. I appreciate all the guys in this situation and certainly understand a bit of whining from the bottom.
Dawgs,
I disagree. The longer the guys stay out the better it is for everyone below them. If all 200 guys came back 5 years ago the bottom 200 pilots who have been making a profit for DAL for 5+ years wouldn't even be DAL employees today.
So when the furloughees eventually come back the bottom guys may see guys coming in above them. It is still much better to be on the DAL seniority list with three or more years of longevity, then trying to get an interview at DAL.
Scoop
07-20-2013, 09:48 PM
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Although there were many factors, I would say 9-11 and then "force majeure" and were the main drivers in my case.
07-20-2013, 09:51 PM
Da Hudge
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Obviously not all that went on MIL took advantage of that, but a not insignificant number did.
07-20-2013, 10:05 PM
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A question for the reserve gurus. If you exceed reserve guarantee in a month and still have on call days (for which you should now not be liable for call out), do you need to notify crew scheduling of that or do they automatically not bother you? I've exceeded the guarantee but still have the 30th and 31st on call.....
Thanks,
Denny
Thanks,
Denny
07-20-2013, 10:29 PM
Da Hudge
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A question for the reserve gurus. If you exceed reserve guarantee in a month and still have on call days (for which you should now not be liable for call out), do you need to notify crew scheduling of that or do they automatically not bother you? I've exceeded the guarantee but still have the 30th and 31st on call.....
Thanks,
Denny
Thanks,
Denny
Your cutoff is ALV, not RSV guarantee. Guarantee is ALV-2 typically, so if you are in between the two, welcome to contract 2012.
You're good for another ~17 hours of flying.
Last edited by 80ktsClamp; 07-20-2013 at 11:26 PM.
07-21-2013, 02:09 AM
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I thought that you were full once you reached your reserve guarantee, but if you are under by one minute you are still eligible for a trip not to exceed ALV plus 15.
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