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Old 07-15-2013, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
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As the Pinnacle debacle is understood by express pilots as the cause of their concessions it will be very difficult for the leadership who authorized that bargaining to remain in power.
What would you have had ALPA, Wychor et. al. do? Does PCL ALPA have a responsibility to their 2600 constituents, or just to your view of how things should have played out? Remember CMR had just been shut down. PCL liquidation was a distinct possibility. American Eagle's future was uncertain. Longevity created a huge labor arbitrage across the regional spectrum. The competitive set was $74 hr Captains at Compass and $66 hr guys at GoJet. That's where they're at now.

Should PCL just have "taken one for the team"? Is that how you'd feel about your job when faced with the realities that they were facing? Note that UCAL didn't even hiccup when Colgan's Q400's went away.

So I reject your premise that PCL bargaining was the cause of their concessions. Their duty to represent their constituents and economic reality caused it. But no doubt you're correct that, like you, many will blame ALPA for it.
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro Fessional
This attitude of "I am good enough for Delta, but most of you are not" is so condescending. I am ex-NWA, 30 years at NWA/DAL, and ex-Navy. I was damned glad just to get hired ANYWHERE. At the time I was hired there wasn't much going on - USAir hiring only LPP's, Piedmont hiring limited numbers (wouldn't even send me an application), and Northwest Orient. That was IT. I had friends with top-notch resumes that couldn't even get an interview. I was LUCKY, as are most of us who are here at DAL (and any other "legacy" carrier.) Over my career I have worked with many great pilots and many who could be the poster child for failed pre-employment screening. Nobody is SPECIAL because they were hired at Delta (or any legacy for that matter.) They are all QUALIFIED, CONNECTED, and/or LUCKY, not necessarily in that order. Compass did not hire just anybody who submitted an application. NWA was very involved in the hiring process. I have no problem with the flow as it was set up, and I welcome those flow pilots. They have "paid their dues."
I think you are reading between the lines too much.
I simply described how, contrary to other opinions, the Compass selection was not the same as NWA’s and Delta’s.

After 4 airlines I see how pilot selection is important. It has nothing to do now much dues people paid.
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:51 AM
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Did the ELIAC break down again running PBS?
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Old 07-15-2013, 09:18 AM
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Snowden got ahold of the bid awards?

not until the 17th now? whaaaa?
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Old 07-15-2013, 09:19 AM
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All published PBS awards rescinded. New awards out by 17th...

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Old 07-15-2013, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
Your viewpoint is skewed by the fact that there hasn't been a merger for you. You work in a world (the whale) isolated from former Southies.
That is absolutely spot on. What will be interesting is how much he will howl if some "southies" will come in on top of him in an AE. Of course he won't have the same sympathetic feelings for Timbo and others on the 777, because as we all know it is a vastly inferior airplane.

Fire away Carl, but you know I am right.
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Old 07-15-2013, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CheapTrick
And my point is one Purple is more than enough. A 4 day with him would have me on Prozac and suicide watch. Debbie Downer X 10.

I, for one, enjoy Purple's contributions to the forum (albeit, I wish he would run for an office, volunteer and stand tall and proud with his ideology). It allows me to "think" and always be aware of my surroundings. Every-time, I get complacent or think things are going well, Purple reminds me that things can and will change at a flick of a switch.

Purple's contribution is to allow you to see the other end of the "hidden" spectrum.

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Old 07-15-2013, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 8 Cherry Garcia
Snowden got ahold of the bid awards?

not until the 17th now? whaaaa?

Apparently nobody told the "WOPR" that henceforth and immediately August is a 30 day month.


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Old 07-15-2013, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by boog123
Did the ELIAC break down again running PBS?
No. It was nap time. It'll be back later.

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Old 07-15-2013, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Occasionally it still provides entertainment, like Check Essential posting we won't hire minutes before hiring is announced.
Anderson and Dickson just wanted to make me look bad.
Therefore ---
I will now predict that we are not going to buy any new widebodies this year.
You hear that guys?

And oh yeah, the Braves will collapse in the 2nd half and not make the playoffs.
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