I'm sure you meant "meet the competitive minimums." No one gets hired at the actual DL minimums. 4000 hours was the lowest any civilian got called with last round- TPIC was highly competitive but not 100% required (in my newhire class, we had a senior ASA FO who was also a DL FA at the same time). That will likely remain to be the low end threshold. Military of course have a separate scale of competitive times due to the nature of their career path.

That's what I meant.

07-14-2013, 03:20 PM

#135262

Carl Spackler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GunshipGuy

Tell me what you found to be the most challenging part of the cog test.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gearjerk

I interpreted your post to be questioning him on whether they even took the same cog test. (e.g. "What was the most difficult part for you, because I don't believe you too the same test?)

For me, the most challenging part of the cog test was making sure I added a "k" to the word "took".

Carl

07-14-2013, 03:21 PM

#135263

BlueMoon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GunshipGuy

No bad on your part; you interpreted it correctly. Why did you feel a need to comment on your interpretation? I thought the claim of having had the same interview was worthy of some further questioning as to whether or not it was truly the "same" interview. That shouldn't be such an egregious question.

To my understanding the COG (I have taken that same COG test 3 times at different places now) and Personality test are the same, the Job Knowledge Test is a little easier.

My friend at her DL interview took near the whole time, I used her study technique and I finished the compass one in about 35 minutes. The HR person at the time said it was slightly easier than the one at mainline (I asked on day 1 of class), I'm not sure by how much. There were a two questions I looked at and had no idea, while my friend said there were 5 or so that she didn't know.

My comparison is by no means scientific.

The hardest part about the COG test? I give this advice to everyone...The test will frustrate you and overload you. It's putting your mess ups behind you and continuing to be as accurate as you can. You will screw up during it, but you have to block that out and continue on.

07-14-2013, 03:23 PM

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MrMustache

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GunshipGuy

Tell me what you found to be the most challenging part of the cog test.

The 2 handed line centering thing and number recall at the same time. That sufficient info?

07-14-2013, 03:32 PM

#135265

Denny Crane

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMustache

The 2 handed line centering thing and number recall at the same time. That sufficient info?

Dang! I'd never make it past that test. I can't even rub my belly and pat my head at the same time!!

Or is it pat my belly and rub my head.....

DENNYCRANE!

07-14-2013, 03:35 PM

#135266

Scoop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMustache

The 2 handed line centering thing and number recall at the same time. That sufficient info?

I remember that. While I was taking that test I thought about the ridiculous tests the mercury astronauts were shown taking in the Right Stuff. No shiit, It took all my self control not to break out laughing in the middle of the test! I didn't laugh out loud, but sure must have looked like an idiot with a big stupid smile plastered all over my face.

I guess it must have relaxed me because I squeaked by.

Good luck to all new hires - flows, military, civilian, guys, gals, bring em all on!

Scoop

07-14-2013, 03:40 PM

#135267

Express pilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Dang! I'd never make it past that test. I can't even rub my belly and pat my head at the same time!!

Or is it pat my belly and rub my head.....

DENNYCRANE!

So funny Denny. But you smoke a mean cigar.

07-14-2013, 04:11 PM

#135268

forgot to bid

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if you can fire up the playstation and find the open recievers on NCAA football then the cog test is no problem. that's how my buddy explained it to me and he was right.

07-14-2013, 04:13 PM

#135269

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lifeisgood

Compass had a former NWA pilot sit at the interviews.
He broke his back and was medically retired from NWA and has pain that is very hard to manage. I know and respect him, but stop telling people that having him Comp HR were able to give the same interviews as NWA did or Delta does.
"I understand it hurts", but a trip to psych eval in downtown ATL or a 20 min conversation with AK would probably cut many Compass guys.
Just my emotionless opinion.

This attitude of "I am good enough for Delta, but most of you are not" is so condescending. I am ex-NWA, 30 years at NWA/DAL, and ex-Navy. I was damned glad just to get hired ANYWHERE. At the time I was hired there wasn't much going on - USAir hiring only LPP's, Piedmont hiring limited numbers (wouldn't even send me an application), and Northwest Orient. That was IT. I had friends with top-notch resumes that couldn't even get an interview. I was LUCKY, as are most of us who are here at DAL (and any other "legacy" carrier.) Over my career I have worked with many great pilots and many who could be the poster child for failed pre-employment screening. Nobody is SPECIAL because they were hired at Delta (or any legacy for that matter.) They are all QUALIFIED, CONNECTED, and/or LUCKY, not necessarily in that order. Compass did not hire just anybody who submitted an application. NWA was very involved in the hiring process. I have no problem with the flow as it was set up, and I welcome those flow pilots. They have "paid their dues."