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Old 07-09-2013, 04:31 AM
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Another really bad thing to speculate about is how many of the cockpit crew will end up in a Korean prison. Eveything
I've seen or heard in the press/media from Asiana management has really been detrimental to the cockpit crew.

I've been wondering about where the crew is today, who's talking to them, and if they got blood tested after the crash.

Does Asiana have any type of a Pilot Union to help these guys deal with the aftermath?

I just heard on the news that the NTSB has "...only spoken with part of the crew, and has not spoken with the pilot flying yet."

Is he even still in the USA? Or has he (they) been whisked away, back to Korea?
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Old 07-09-2013, 04:48 AM
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Is he even still in the USA? Or has he (they) been whisked away, back to Korea?
If he knows what's good for him, he'll ask for asylum.
Korea is likely to put him on trial.

ALPA Concerned Over Fate of Air China Pilot in Korea -- re> WASHINGTON, April 25 /PRNewswire/ --
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Old 07-09-2013, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
If he knows what's good for him, he'll ask for asylum.
Korea is likely to put him on trial.

ALPA Concerned Over Fate of Air China Pilot in Korea -- re> WASHINGTON, April 25 /PRNewswire/ --
It's like the Brazilian accident between the American corporate jet, which was a corporate version of the ERJ135, and the Brazilian 737. Or France going after a CAL mechanic in the US over the Concorde accident.

We need more pay given the risk and liability.

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Old 07-09-2013, 05:52 AM
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We need more pay given the risk and liability.
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Old 07-09-2013, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
It's like the Brazilian accident between the American corporate jet, which was a corporate version of the ERJ135, and the Brazilian 737. Or France going after a CAL mechanic in the US over the Concorde accident.

We need more pay given the risk and liability.
Here is coverage of government action to break Asiana's 2005 strike by sending 1,800 "riot police" to force 400 pilots to work while Asiana was flying a compromised schedule with scab labor.

The labor minister, Kim Dae Hwan, said, "The government has determined that if the strike by Asiana pilots continues, it would not only cause inconveniences for the people but also threaten the safety of air travelers and hurt the national economy."

The action came after Asiana's management and union failed to reach a compromise in last-minute talks in a mountain resort south of Seoul, where hundreds of Asiana pilots have been staying in a hotel since the walkout began on July 17. The government had given the two sides until Wednesday to reach a deal or face arbitration.

After the emergency arbitration was announced, the Asiana union said it would end the strike. But 1,800 riot police officers were on standby outside the hotel on Wednesday, waiting for an order to move in, in case any of the pilots refused to return to work despite the government order.

Asiana's strike has been the worst for South Korea's aviation industry. Since the walkout began, the airline has been forced to cancel more than 2,200 domestic and international flights, or one-third of its total scheduled flights.The strike has cost the airline an estimated 165 billion won, or $163 million, in lost revenue from passenger and cargo services, the government said on Wednesday.

Asiana has been operating with nonunion pilots and union members who did not join the strike. About 500 of the airline's 839 pilots are unionized. The union said about 400 pilots had been on strike.

Pilots are calling for more rest days and fewer flying hours. They also insist on a say in management decisions and on raising the retirement age to 58 from 55.
Not a big fan of Korean Management. Even their Bar B Que is greasy. I am curious to know if the LCA was a striker, or strike breaker. (and while on IOE, this is the LCA's jet, isn't it)

My instincts might be wrong, but I would hope ALPA considers whether the guy is a scab before offering assistance.

Chairman Hirshman has done an excellent job at the NTSB. Do not know anything about the handling of this matter, yet, but she's been a very strong safety advocate in the face of political pressure.

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Old 07-09-2013, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
I clicked it multiple times but your Like button must be on MEL
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:07 AM
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An update for the sick calls. I have had some unfortunate incidents / luck the past 6 weeks and have had 2 sick calls covering appx 16 days and 2 trips but so far not a peep from CPO. The scheduler was very unhappy on the second one but what can you do.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
An update for the sick calls. I have had some unfortunate incidents / luck the past 6 weeks and have had 2 sick calls covering appx 16 days and 2 trips but so far not a peep from CPO. The scheduler was very unhappy on the second one but what can you do.

I am at 4 due to a chronic problem and not a peep. I think if one just conducts themselves professionally, and uses good judgment it is not an issue. Not sure what happened at NWA but it seems like many north guys I fly with, anyone in mgt was a foe and therefore had to be dealt with like an adversary. Hopefully I am wrong and that is an incorrect
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
I am at 4 due to a chronic problem and not a peep. I think if one just conducts themselves professionally, and uses good judgment it is not an issue. Not sure what happened at NWA but it seems like many north guys I fly with, anyone in mgt was a foe and therefore had to be dealt with like an adversary. Hopefully I am wrong and that is an incorrect
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Fig, it was not an issue at NW, we had the bank sick time concept...it was used as an insurance policy... paid at 80hrs per month I remember. Some abused the policy just like at DL, a subtle difference was that the chief pilots were more of a pilot liaison to management rather than management liaison to the pilots.
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
The scheduler was very unhappy on the second one but what can you do.
The difference between a pilot and a scheduler ...

Pilot calls scheduler with bad news ... pilot feels bad about it
Scheduler calls pilot with bad news ... high fives all around the cubicle
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