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Old 07-08-2013, 11:41 AM
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So the NTSB is saying that the lowest speed (3 seconds prior to impact) was 103 knots. What would a 777 EFIS screen speed tape look like in that instance? (ie, 34 knots below Vref). Is it yellow? Red? Flashing red?
Above 500' they'd get the trim inhibits (can't trim to a lower airspeed), above 100' feet they'd get auto-throttle wake up with SPD or THR REF to min maneuver IF the AT ARM switches were ARMED. The AS tape would turn amber, then red like you said. And let's not forget the AIRSPEED LOW EICAS
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:43 AM
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Man it just keeps getting worse. No runway change and a 17 mile final. How do you dork that up?
..........Boredom?
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by CRM114
..........Boredom?
On an IOE?
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
So the NTSB is saying that the lowest speed (3 seconds prior to impact) was 103 knots. What would a 777 EFIS screen speed tape look like in that instance? (ie, 34 knots below Vref). Is it yellow? Red? Flashing red?

That's a lot of knots to be slow.

If I remember, years ago a major US carrier was going to codeshare with a Korean carrier (maybe Korean Air?) and their pilots did some sort of "line checks" to see what kind of operation it was. I remember reading the report, a lot of "not speaking up" and stuff along those lines. Anyone else remember that report?
I don't know about the 777 but the 73N would've been screaming at me long before I got that slow. Does the 777 not have an "Airspeed Low" aural alert?
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
If I remember, years ago a major US carrier was going to codeshare with a Korean carrier (maybe Korean Air?) and their pilots did some sort of "line checks" to see what kind of operation it was. I remember reading the report, a lot of "not speaking up" and stuff along those lines. Anyone else remember that report?
There were some "audits".
At one point Delta threatened to stop the codeshare over safety issues.
Korean Air then hired Dave Greenberg to fix their cockpit cultural problems.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bohicagain
About 7 years ago I was on the jumpseat on Delta 75 going to Miami.
Nice night and the FO turned everything off and cleared the FD. The CA asked what he was doing and the FO replied getting some practice raw data approach. The CA "absolutely not" and told the FO to turn the FD and throttles on and wait until inside 1000 feet to turn of the autopilot. I was surprised on the CA actions but it is his plane.
The appropriate response is, "YOU HAVE THE AIRPLANE."

And then inform him he's going into the Tool-of-the-Day thread!
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
There were some "audits".
At one point Delta threatened to stop the codeshare over safety issues.
Korean Air then hired Dave Greenberg to fix their cockpit cultural problems.
Wasn't the audit initiated after their Guam crash? We saw a presentation on the findings at... Coex.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
So you'd be fine with an independent union with the same cast who has been running things post CEM (common era Moak)
There would at least be no question of who was negotiating for whom.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:50 PM
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Hey Scambo......got time for the cliff notes on the Triples's behavior in the lo spd. lo alt, hi alpharegime....automation protections ??

thanks,
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:51 PM
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Hey Scambo......got time for the cliff notes on the Triples's behavior in the lo spd. lo alt, hi alpharegime....automation protections ??

thanks,
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