Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-06-2013, 08:03 AM
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So you have reps whose beliefs run completely counter to history (and common sense if you ask me) and yet you don't complain about their "sales job". You think a sales job is anything that doesn't match your thoughts. You think "straight facts" are anything that does match your thoughts. So spare me the sanctimony. Again, we seem to live in bizarro world where failure becomes the road map to success and success is ignored.
Constructive engagement has led this industry out of the depths of the bankruptcy era doldrums. Every pilot group that tried your tactics has failed and failed and failed some more. Only one pilot group was moving forward and digging out of the hole we were in and that was Delta using constructive engagement. We signed two straight industry leading contracts within 4 years of each other. The rest of the industry: zero. We averaged a 41% lead on the competition when our last deal was signed. 41%. Explain that sales job.
The rest of the industry is just trying to catch up now. So if you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore reality while you satisfy your anger then I say you are just immature. There has rarely been such a stark contrast between the failure of your methods and the success of constructive engagement. So you can snark away all you want with your childish insults. Someone else with more maturity will keep digging you out of that hole and like a dead weight you can latch on for the ride.
Constructive engagement has led this industry out of the depths of the bankruptcy era doldrums. Every pilot group that tried your tactics has failed and failed and failed some more. Only one pilot group was moving forward and digging out of the hole we were in and that was Delta using constructive engagement. We signed two straight industry leading contracts within 4 years of each other. The rest of the industry: zero. We averaged a 41% lead on the competition when our last deal was signed. 41%. Explain that sales job.
The rest of the industry is just trying to catch up now. So if you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore reality while you satisfy your anger then I say you are just immature. There has rarely been such a stark contrast between the failure of your methods and the success of constructive engagement. So you can snark away all you want with your childish insults. Someone else with more maturity will keep digging you out of that hole and like a dead weight you can latch on for the ride.
Gracious that horse is high.
07-06-2013, 08:03 AM
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How do you figure? Our language was NOT loosened; it was tightened up. Here's the old language:
1 F. 2
The Company may require that a pilot verify his sickness by providing, at the Company’s option, either:
And here's the new: Verification of sickness under Section 14 F. 2. is required when:
When individual circumstances exist that give the Company a good faith basis to inquire regarding the medical reason for a pilot’s use of sick leave, such pilot may be required to state the nature of his illness in general terms to his Chief Pilot. Following such discussion, the Chief Pilot may:
This has already been covered multiple places, but HIPAA absolutely DOES permit an employer to request some proof of your illness. Think about it -- the alternative is an employee just comes to work whenever he feels like it. HIPAA laws are primarily designed to protect you from having a doctor share your information without your permission to a 3rd party.
How do you figure? Our language was NOT loosened; it was tightened up. Here's the old language:
1 F. 2
The Company may require that a pilot verify his sickness by providing, at the Company’s option, either:
- a doctor’s certificate, or
- other proof of illness.
And here's the new: Verification of sickness under Section 14 F. 2. is required when:
- a pilot has used more than 100 hours of unverified sick leave in a sick leave year, or
- a pilot has been absent on a single sick occurrence for 15 or more consecutive days.
When individual circumstances exist that give the Company a good faith basis to inquire regarding the medical reason for a pilot’s use of sick leave, such pilot may be required to state the nature of his illness in general terms to his Chief Pilot. Following such discussion, the Chief Pilot may:
- consider the current sick leave occurrence to be verified, or
- require verification of sickness from the pilot under Section 14 F. 2.
This has already been covered multiple places, but HIPAA absolutely DOES permit an employer to request some proof of your illness. Think about it -- the alternative is an employee just comes to work whenever he feels like it. HIPAA laws are primarily designed to protect you from having a doctor share your information without your permission to a 3rd party.
Any sick call that:
*touches a holiday...any holiday (there's almost one every month, more if you include Superbowl, KY derby, Daytona 500, World Series, NBA/NHL finals, heck even soccer, athough I suppose we'd win that grievance since its not a real sport but you never know)
*touches a regular day off that touches a holiday (or any other "special days" someone could think of)
*touches vacation or a long period of regular days off (extending one's vacation?)
*touches a period many days on interrupted by only a few or one days off (sickation?)
*touches a weekend (?)
*occurs in the summer (?)
*the sick caller "sounded suspiscious" when calling in sick to scheduling? (hey, if not, why not? after all its not up to us its up to an arbitrator)
*occurs just prior to, or just after, a training footprint
*occurs during bad weather
*occurs in conjunction with flight cancellations which could imply a commuting issue
*occurs over previous attempts to drop/trade/bid days off
*anything else that anyone could simply say was "suspiscious"
And bonus: no HIPAA privacy rights.
Now take that list above and try and sandwich a sick anywhere on your schedule that doesn't bump up against one of those.
So saying you get 100 hours of unverified sick time, but turning around and saying the company can make you verify it at their sole discretion anytime they want for anything they want as long as they say they want to, well, come on. Just come on.
07-06-2013, 08:06 AM
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You probably weren't here then but we used to have a program where the FAs would ride in the cockpit jump seat. I always felt a little guilty moving the wing isolation valve levers when we had a cute one up there.
07-06-2013, 08:09 AM
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07-06-2013, 08:12 AM
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Nothing to see here, move on ....
... semi officially, nothing to see here. No reason for the Alaska pilots to specifically scope their 737's to keep islanders from invading ...
... semi officially, nothing to see here. No reason for the Alaska pilots to specifically scope their 737's to keep islanders from invading ...
07-06-2013, 08:15 AM
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Delta Air Lines to Place Widebody Order in July
In flight entertainment options to include peg board games from Cracker Barrel and personal BetaMax players. Jet will make use of the tons of recently overhauled DC-10 spares acquired from Northwest Airlines. Has the MD88's cool heading knob and uses Douglas system illogic.
But hey ... notice the winglets? Same as Boeing, Airbus and Aviation Partners claimed to discover just last year!
In flight entertainment options to include peg board games from Cracker Barrel and personal BetaMax players. Jet will make use of the tons of recently overhauled DC-10 spares acquired from Northwest Airlines. Has the MD88's cool heading knob and uses Douglas system illogic.
But hey ... notice the winglets? Same as Boeing, Airbus and Aviation Partners claimed to discover just last year!
MD11/MD12-undeveloped models
Also, if anyone wants a stroll down memory lane when Delta said they would grow 5 to 7%, yearly .... Delta Announces Purchases of McDonnell Douglas, Boeing Jets
1989: Delta Announces Purchases of McDonnell Douglas, Boeing Jets
Associated Press
Nov. 15, 1989 9:27 AM ET
ATLANTA (AP) _ Delta Air Lines will buy up to 260 new jets from McDonnell Douglas Corp. and Boeing Co. in a transaction valued at more than $10 billion, the carrier announced.
The planned purchases of MD-90s and Boeing 737-300s over the next 11 years is in addition to $13 billion in orders announced previously. Delta now has 519 new jets on order as part of its drive to expand service and replace older aircraft.
Atlanta-based Delta ordered 50 Boeing 120-passenger 737-300 jets and took options for 50 more. The first planes arrive in 1993.
Delta ordered 50 of McDonnell Douglas Corp.'s new 150-seat MD-90 jets and took options to buy 110 more. But 60 of those options were originally placed last year for MD-88 aircraft and converted Tuesday to MD-90 options, Delta said.
Deliveries begin in 1994.
A year ago Delta ordered $10 billion worth of mostly international-range jets for expansion in Asia and Europe.
In all, Delta now has 182 orders and 337 options for new jets worth $23 billion. ''Delta is putting a lot of financial effort into keeping a modern, efficient fleet as we continue to grow,'' Chairman Ronald W. Allen said at a news conference Tuesday.
Allen said Delta expects to expand capacity by 5 percent to 7 percent per year over the next decade.
Delta has the youngest fleet of any major U.S. carrier, and Allen said the airline hopes to maintain an average aircraft age of about 8 years by retiring older DC-9s, Boeing 727s and 737s.
''This will give Delta the ability to go either into a heavy fleet replacement program or, depending on the market, a heavy growth plan,'' said Paul Karos of First Boston Corp. Allen said Delta expects to pay for the new planes primarily with operating revenues. He said the airline, which earned a record $460.9 million last fiscal year, is committed to keeping its debt low.
Allen said the purchases won't mean fare increases because a modern fleet saves money in the long run. ''I don't think our fare increases will exceed the consumer price index in coming years,'' he said.
The MD-90s have a list price of $40 million each, while 737-300s cost about $29 million each. Allen declined to say how much of a discount Delta will get. He also wouldn't say how much of a down payment Delta must make.
The MD-90 is an updated version of McDonnell-Douglas's popular MD-80 series jet. It is five feet longer than the MD-88, with eight more seats, and has quieter, more fuel-efficient engines. Delta is the first to order an MD-90.
Allen said the 737-300s will have 120 seats - eight fewer than the 13 737-300s Delta already has. With fewer seats, there will be more leg room and bigger galleys and closets.
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That's entertaining. We were able to retire the 727s and 737s almost 15 years later and have been trying to retire older DC-9s ever since.
07-06-2013, 08:18 AM
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I thought they all did it at G/S capture, including the Douglas. Of course the Flight Director in the Douglas is more a vague suggestion and it's mostly hidden behind the yoke. Mostly we fly by Braille. When you feel a bump, figure out "what was that !?!" then either turn climb, or stop, based on where it sounded like the impact came from.
07-06-2013, 08:22 AM
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07-06-2013, 08:26 AM
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I really hope some mechanics get the aircraft together for a Douglas family photo before they actually retire the thing.
07-06-2013, 08:29 AM
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