Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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Well....you see...it isn't a pattern. It's one sick call simply because he never called in well. He had to have spinal fusion surgery to repair bulging disks that were pressing into a nerve. The result of the bulging discs was chronic pain, & his arm going numb. So it was unverified sick time. Then he chose to call and verify it because he would exceed 100 hours of usage.
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I was being facetious about the "it sounds like a pattern" as you mentioned might be a reason for a call by the CP. The negotiators emphatically stated that there would be no "historical patterns" used by the company in calling people to verify or confirm. That's all I was getting at.
I think they said that call wouldn't be made based solely on usage. Or did they release literature stating otherwise?(Serious question BTW because I don't remember) Usage isn't a pattern. If you call in sick every Christmas for 6 years straight, would you expect a call?
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Come on Dude. Your point that 60% voted for it is specious. They voted for it because they were told hiring could be imminent, that this was a fleeting opportunity to get rid of RJs, etc etc. At least stipulate that the displacements were far from the 60%'s expectations and that the lack of hiring might have ****ed off a few folks.
You can't sell something as a peach and then blame the buyer for not knowing its a lemon.
You can't sell something as a peach and then blame the buyer for not knowing its a lemon.
Its always "buyer beware," its up to us individual voters to read whats available, consult with others and than make a decision. I don't want to believe that people would vote yes, based solely on the premise that hiring would take place. Every voter has to decide for themselves if the contract meets the expectations that they have, than we have to live with the results.
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RW,
Its always "buyer beware," its up to us individual voters to read whats available, consult with others and than make a decision. I don't want to believe that people would vote yes, based solely on the premise that hiring would take place. Every voter has to decide for themselves if the contract meets the expectations that they have, than we have to live with the results.
Its always "buyer beware," its up to us individual voters to read whats available, consult with others and than make a decision. I don't want to believe that people would vote yes, based solely on the premise that hiring would take place. Every voter has to decide for themselves if the contract meets the expectations that they have, than we have to live with the results.
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Purple,
You are correct that Johnson is pretty upbeat, but so what? Many others are negative. Its kind of nice to see differing views, some very skeptical, and some very optimistic. It helps one keep an open mind.
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Johnso29,
This sick leave verification issue isn't a burning issue with me, but I sure dislike one ALPA member telling another ALPA member to "go find another job." As our founder stated, "when one member has a problem, we all have a problem."
It appears that management may be reaching beyond what has been agreed to in our contract and I believe ALPA is working to address the issue (based on posts by another web board where this discussion is taking place). There are also outside factors which will regulate and normalize this issue over time. No one wants to be involved in "pilot pushing." It just takes some time for the definition of "good faith" to be understood by all involved. Further, when the Company sees a financial impact resulting from their requests for Doctor's notes someone will have the bright idea of mitigating that expense too. For now pilots should consider being proactive, not only with verification, but also in asking the Chief Pilot's Office, "what is your good faith basis for this inquiry?" If the reply involves historical data, then there might need to be some non confrontational training that takes place. The Company has a lot of resources at their finger tips and being thorough (as we pilots tend to be) it is difficult to deliberately not access available data.
This will work out. I would not tell another member to "find another job." In our union the proper answer is "how can I help you brother."
JMHO.
This sick leave verification issue isn't a burning issue with me, but I sure dislike one ALPA member telling another ALPA member to "go find another job." As our founder stated, "when one member has a problem, we all have a problem."
It appears that management may be reaching beyond what has been agreed to in our contract and I believe ALPA is working to address the issue (based on posts by another web board where this discussion is taking place). There are also outside factors which will regulate and normalize this issue over time. No one wants to be involved in "pilot pushing." It just takes some time for the definition of "good faith" to be understood by all involved. Further, when the Company sees a financial impact resulting from their requests for Doctor's notes someone will have the bright idea of mitigating that expense too. For now pilots should consider being proactive, not only with verification, but also in asking the Chief Pilot's Office, "what is your good faith basis for this inquiry?" If the reply involves historical data, then there might need to be some non confrontational training that takes place. The Company has a lot of resources at their finger tips and being thorough (as we pilots tend to be) it is difficult to deliberately not access available data.
This will work out. I would not tell another member to "find another job." In our union the proper answer is "how can I help you brother."
JMHO.
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RW,
Its always "buyer beware," its up to us individual voters to read whats available, consult with others and than make a decision. I don't want to believe that people would vote yes, based solely on the premise that hiring would take place. Every voter has to decide for themselves if the contract meets the expectations that they have, than we have to live with the results.
Its always "buyer beware," its up to us individual voters to read whats available, consult with others and than make a decision. I don't want to believe that people would vote yes, based solely on the premise that hiring would take place. Every voter has to decide for themselves if the contract meets the expectations that they have, than we have to live with the results.
For now, it is what it is. We will have some serious JV issues to debate soon.
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