Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-03-2013, 06:25 AM
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Gentlemen,
Thank you for your words of encouragement. Unfortunately I'm not Jesse nor related to him. I have however been studying his ways and I decided that the thread had gotten so divided between DALPA supporters vs DPA supporters vs people that don't like any union vs. scope hawks vs. JV/codeshares violation/contract improvement opportunity and next thing I know people are arguing that pay should be tied to sexual orientation and I just got confused.
To that end I know that nothing bring pilots together like some good underboob. In honor of the Gold Bond talk and scorching summer, I give you a real hot one from Texas. She must have been one of the new FAs working the DFW-ATL flight on the -88 the other day:
Thank you for your words of encouragement. Unfortunately I'm not Jesse nor related to him. I have however been studying his ways and I decided that the thread had gotten so divided between DALPA supporters vs DPA supporters vs people that don't like any union vs. scope hawks vs. JV/codeshares violation/contract improvement opportunity and next thing I know people are arguing that pay should be tied to sexual orientation and I just got confused.
To that end I know that nothing bring pilots together like some good underboob. In honor of the Gold Bond talk and scorching summer, I give you a real hot one from Texas. She must have been one of the new FAs working the DFW-ATL flight on the -88 the other day:
07-03-2013, 07:01 AM
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07-03-2013, 07:18 AM
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(I was still in the AF then)
07-03-2013, 07:49 AM
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Regarding the Sick Verification in our PWA: does section 14 F. 4. ("Good faith basis") basically mean anytime the chief pilot wants to send a pilot who calls in sick to the doc to get a note he can? Even if said pilot hasn't called in sick in his career? Was this in our last PWA? It seems to me someone who was negotiating for us should have narrowed down, or defined "When individual circumstances exist..."
07-03-2013, 08:11 AM
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Regarding the Sick Verification in our PWA: does section 14 F. 4. ("Good faith basis") basically mean anytime the chief pilot wants to send a pilot who calls in sick to the doc to get a note he can? Even if said pilot hasn't called in sick in his career? Was this in our last PWA? It seems to me someone who was negotiating for us should have narrowed down, or defined "When individual circumstances exist..."
"4. If you have not visited a doctor or other healthcare provider for your illness, provide some other proof of illness to the Company by fax or email as described above. This could, for example, include a general description of your sickness, along with a prescription for medication used to treat your described sickness. If you have any questions, contact ALPA Contract Administration. "
What other forms of proof would be allowed? Could we include pictures?
07-03-2013, 08:37 AM
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Sick verification-- I think you're right. I know someone who already has gotten a call from the CPO. He used sick once now since the contract change, didn't verify it, and got a call from the CPO checking on it's "good faithness".
On the other hand the CPO took his "yes/no" answers and said "ok, verified". Yes, the system "worked" because the cpo was a decent guy...Still, it's the threat of them calling whenever they feel they have a reason to check. Which they obviously felt was ok on the first sick use of the year with no regard to the 100 hrs of unverified available.
I absolutely knew that all the naive glass half-full wait-and-see folks were wrong on this sick leave aspect of the contract, and that their expectations that the vagueness in the contract would NOT be used to the fullest against us by the company was wishful thinking. Now I feel I've been proven right within days of the new sick leave going into effect.
And yes, I did tell my buddy to report it to ALPA for their data collection per their note they sent out.
On the other hand the CPO took his "yes/no" answers and said "ok, verified". Yes, the system "worked" because the cpo was a decent guy...Still, it's the threat of them calling whenever they feel they have a reason to check. Which they obviously felt was ok on the first sick use of the year with no regard to the 100 hrs of unverified available.
I absolutely knew that all the naive glass half-full wait-and-see folks were wrong on this sick leave aspect of the contract, and that their expectations that the vagueness in the contract would NOT be used to the fullest against us by the company was wishful thinking. Now I feel I've been proven right within days of the new sick leave going into effect.
And yes, I did tell my buddy to report it to ALPA for their data collection per their note they sent out.
07-03-2013, 09:03 AM
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Dear CPSC,
per the contract I am providing the attached documentation as verification of illness. I have not seen a doctor recently for this previously diagnosed chronic condition, nor is a visit for recurrence of my condition allowed under my healthcare. Neither have I a prescription to show, as my condition is treated with OTC medicines.
Therefore, please find attached a date-time-stamped closeup photograph of my flaming hemorrhoids and another of my rampant jock-itch which together combine to disallow me to sit for over 30 minutes. The white powder is Gold-Bond, highly recommended BTW.
Best regards,
"FTB"
per the contract I am providing the attached documentation as verification of illness. I have not seen a doctor recently for this previously diagnosed chronic condition, nor is a visit for recurrence of my condition allowed under my healthcare. Neither have I a prescription to show, as my condition is treated with OTC medicines.
Therefore, please find attached a date-time-stamped closeup photograph of my flaming hemorrhoids and another of my rampant jock-itch which together combine to disallow me to sit for over 30 minutes. The white powder is Gold-Bond, highly recommended BTW.
Best regards,
"FTB"
07-03-2013, 09:16 AM
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You can if you are willing to resurrect the Red/Green wars of NWA. Also, don't forget that any newhires after such a decision would be considered Delta hires and thus outside the fence. At some point they would begin jumping the Alaska guys into the widebodies, depending on how things were structured. There were repeated arbitrations up North as the fleet mixes changed. It was a mess.
The Roberts Rule created a great deal of animosity at NWA. I suggest we avoid a repeat.
The Roberts Rule created a great deal of animosity at NWA. I suggest we avoid a repeat.
07-03-2013, 09:57 AM
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Sick verification-- I think you're right. I know someone who already has gotten a call from the CPO. He used sick once now since the contract change, didn't verify it, and got a call from the CPO checking on it's "good faithness".
That sounds pretty fishy. (On the company's part) The way I read the contract, if you don't "verify" your sick leave, the company has to have a "good faith basis" to inquire about the sick leave and it cannot be based on usage. I'd be calling the Union on this one.
On the other hand the CPO took his "yes/no" answers and said "ok, verified". Yes, the system "worked" because the cpo was a decent guy...Still, it's the threat of them calling whenever they feel they have a reason to check. Which they obviously felt was ok on the first sick use of the year with no regard to the 100 hrs of unverified available.
Again, the way I read the contract, if you "verify" a usage of sick leave the company can ask for a doctors note. If you don't verify (using your 100 hrs), they need to have a "good faith basis" to inquire. That good faith basis cannot be based on usage.
I absolutely knew that all the naive glass half-full wait-and-see folks were wrong on this sick leave aspect of the contract, and that their expectations that the vagueness in the contract would NOT be used to the fullest against us by the company was wishful thinking. Now I feel I've been proven right within days of the new sick leave going into effect.
In past contracts the company could always request a verification of sick leave usage if they wanted too. That has not changed. I suspect that, eventually, a grievance will be filed to fine tune what a "good faith basis" is. It sure doesn't sound like the company had that in your buddy's case.
And yes, I did tell my buddy to report it to ALPA for their data collection per their note they sent out.
I hope he did!
That sounds pretty fishy. (On the company's part) The way I read the contract, if you don't "verify" your sick leave, the company has to have a "good faith basis" to inquire about the sick leave and it cannot be based on usage. I'd be calling the Union on this one.
On the other hand the CPO took his "yes/no" answers and said "ok, verified". Yes, the system "worked" because the cpo was a decent guy...Still, it's the threat of them calling whenever they feel they have a reason to check. Which they obviously felt was ok on the first sick use of the year with no regard to the 100 hrs of unverified available.
Again, the way I read the contract, if you "verify" a usage of sick leave the company can ask for a doctors note. If you don't verify (using your 100 hrs), they need to have a "good faith basis" to inquire. That good faith basis cannot be based on usage.
I absolutely knew that all the naive glass half-full wait-and-see folks were wrong on this sick leave aspect of the contract, and that their expectations that the vagueness in the contract would NOT be used to the fullest against us by the company was wishful thinking. Now I feel I've been proven right within days of the new sick leave going into effect.
In past contracts the company could always request a verification of sick leave usage if they wanted too. That has not changed. I suspect that, eventually, a grievance will be filed to fine tune what a "good faith basis" is. It sure doesn't sound like the company had that in your buddy's case.
And yes, I did tell my buddy to report it to ALPA for their data collection per their note they sent out.
I hope he did!
Denny
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