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Old 06-13-2013, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I agree that is the plan and it has been repeated over and over again, but there's no need to be so snarky about being optimistic all the time like you've been doing. All it does is polarize and hurt your credibility.

Really? I get lambasted everyday for my optimism. One particular individual just labeled my optimism as a "BS campaign" that came "crashing into numbers". So excuse me for deflecting the constant barrage of negativity with a little snarky attitude now and then.

BTW, are you sure you of all people should be labeling others as snarky?
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Really? I get lambasted everyday for my optimism. One particular individual just labeled my optimism as a "BS campaign" that came "crashing into numbers". So excuse me for deflecting the constant barrage of negativity with a little snarky attitude now and then.
You're not just now being snarky, all of your posts have had that overtone for a good while.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:39 AM
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On second thought, he writes legibly, and often makes sense. I don't think he's more snarky in his optimistic outlook, than people are snarky in their negative outlook.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Correct on the 739s mostly, but the 717s are primarily going to be replacing the 50 seat lift as they are parked... the current trend vector now is the A319 doing that flying, actually.
Fair enough, and you are correct. (So you changed your mind about getting rid of the 50s????? Now it is a good thing maybe???) But I will be absolutely speechless if the company ordered more than 10 WBs. 30 to 40 (without parking something bigger) and I would need CPR.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You're not just now being snarky, all of your posts have had that overtone for a good while.

Well clearly my kind and gentle attitude got me no where. So guess what? Bring on snarky town!!! I'll fit right in!!!
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
No I don't think so. We are the cheapest carrier of the major SkyTeam partners from a labor perspective. Yet they, not us, have 100+ large WBs. How many "high paying" jobs has that lost? We are tied to the past with our current pay structure. We only spend on average maybe 1/4-1/3 of our career in the higher paying categories. The rest of the time its less. We need to get away from thinking what we might make someday for a few good years. What if payscales were adjusted to LGBP allowing a pilot to capture more pay over his whole career and not chase planes or bases to do it? How many guys in ATL, CVG, MSP would be happier if they could avoid commuting to protect their pay?
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1. Management will "sweep the legs" in any negotiations with ALPA, no doubt lowering their overall pilot costs and decreasing overall pilots pay.
2. LGP decreases staffing needs.....once again.....less hiring.
3. The senior guys with the help of ALPA would sell the Jr guys down the river....once again. Think boost for current 25 year guys and decreased pay for those below that compared to what they make now.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Fair enough, and you are correct. (So you changed your mind about getting rid of the 50s????? Now it is a good thing maybe???) But I will be absolutely speechless if the company ordered more than 10 WBs. 30 to 40 (without parking something bigger) and I would need CPR.
When did I ever say getting rid of the 50s was a bad thing? I maintained that they were going away no matter the outcome of C2012 and the 717s were coming no matter what as well.

As has been shown by reality, the desire to operate the 50s and park them early is even greater than I anticipated, thus further negating the sales job of C2012...


I agree with you on the widebody order. I keep hearing 10.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:46 AM
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... I would need CPR.
Don't count on it, old man. Perhaps if Timbo's around, you got a shot. The rest of us would be wondering what sort of shape your wings and epaulets are in.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
When did I ever say getting rid of the 50s was a bad thing? I maintained that they were going away no matter the outcome of C2012 and the 717s were coming no matter what as well.

As has been shown by reality, the desire to operate the 50s and park them early is even greater than I anticipated, thus further negating the sales job of C2012...


I agree with you on the widebody order. I keep hearing 10.
I don't want to reopen the C2012 argument.
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I don't want to reopen the C2012 argument.
Then why did you make the false statement about me thinking that parking 50 seaters is a bad thing?
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