Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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But keep telling yourself the "screw you, no screw you back" approach works. I will take the "constructive" approach that has actually gotten us real results numerous times over the past few years. In fact only when the AA pilots starting doing things our way did they get anything at all. But hey, they sure looked good in the mirror beating their chests into oblivion for about seven completely pointless years.
That doesn't mean that there isn't a time that you need to tell the company to pack sand. That time might not be for a long time off, and it might be next week. But so long as we can continue to get real gains, and not some pie-in-the-sky "if we just say no RA will magically find 20% more with our name written all over it" approach, I am all for keeping the current path.
If the time comes when mgmt does their schtick (like they did at DAL in the 90s) where they publicly blame the pilots for all the company's problems, "demand" another low-fare airline-within-an-airline (subsidized with lower pilot wages, but no other employee group), etc., then we can do the old "screw you" approach with the best of them. But that should be done when the circumstances call for it. Right now they don't, and my having that opinion no more makes me a shill or "bend over" type than your voting no on a TA means you want DAL to go out of business tomorrow.
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Criticized, huh? I could have swore that strike ended the B scale, which amounted to a lot more of a raise than 12% for those with less than 6 years on the property. Is that not right?
Either way, for you to trivialize a group of your fellow pilots sacrifices for 15 days is pretty.... drum roll please.... Disrespectful.
Either way, for you to trivialize a group of your fellow pilots sacrifices for 15 days is pretty.... drum roll please.... Disrespectful.
I'm just tired of guys bashing DALPA for accomplishing MORE outside of a strike than other groups have accomplished within one. For example, we got rid of our B scale in conjunction with establishing pay rates for the 777 and 767-400. Its a long story, but the bottom line is that our negotiators had had some secret negotiations with the company to establish some pay rates on those aircraft before we the pilots starting refusing to fly them (which was our contractual right absent a negotiated pay rate).
We ended up agreeing to 777 captain rates of $265/hr--in 2000!--similar rates for the 767-400, immediate elimination of the B scale everywhere and a 6% raise for the rest of us.
And yet we had guys whining about how the company "did it again" what "losers" we were, blah blah blah.
In C2K we still had 30% of the guys vote against that, even though now it is exalted as if the pay rates were chisled on stone tablets off Mt Sinai. I had one guy tell me he was going to quit the union because C2K was "so concessionary!"
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The company is making billions. Yet it cannot "afford" an industry-leading contract (granted, "our" "union" and 62% of my stalwart coworkers agreed to POS12).
Record profit this year. Yet it continues to shirk its contractual obligations (granted, "our" "union" continues to bail management out).
So if not now is not the time to make a stand....when is? When the company is losing money?
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The Comair strike kinda acted as a proxy. After losing $660,000 per RJ FO to resolve a difference that would have cost the Company ~ $15,000 per pilot, Leo Mullin wasn't eager to find out how much striking Delta pilots could cost him.
Of course, Leo's changed strategies, signed C2K and decided to bankrupt the Company. I understand Leo told the pilot who signed C2K on behalf of Delta that Delta would never see the top pay rates. Based on these statements, it is my opinion bankruptcy was planned either before, or shortly after, C2K's ratification (and I am not saying c2k caused the bankruptcy, but management was happy to amend it when they had the opportunity).
C2K scope did not make it 6 months before modifications were made to the percentages of permitted flying.
Of course, Leo's changed strategies, signed C2K and decided to bankrupt the Company. I understand Leo told the pilot who signed C2K on behalf of Delta that Delta would never see the top pay rates. Based on these statements, it is my opinion bankruptcy was planned either before, or shortly after, C2K's ratification (and I am not saying c2k caused the bankruptcy, but management was happy to amend it when they had the opportunity).
C2K scope did not make it 6 months before modifications were made to the percentages of permitted flying.
23. ALPA represents regional carriers. ALPA used the Delta contract to benefit regional members. (35% ALPA new hires, 76 seaters)
24. ALPA is allowing AF/KLM Joint Venture Scope non-compliance through a poorly crafted contract.
25. ALPA cannot stop trading scope for pay because it benefits its regional members.
26. ALPA designated reps are paid 92 hours monthly for position they could hold plus a $1,500/$1,000 stipend. Super seniority.
27. ALPA refuses to show the accounting books or officer names/salaries of offshore subsidiary Kitty Hawk Insurance Co.
28. ALPA National President received 2012 increase in total compensation from $540,408 to $576,968.
Carl
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