Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-11-2013, 02:39 PM
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06-11-2013, 02:47 PM
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So this NRT thing is roughly 5000* pax per year on codeshare flights.....
That translates to about 417 code share passengers per month. Code shares don't make Delta much money, they get a finder's fee (ref ALK).
A finder's fee for a code share is probably around $50 per ticket*.
This is worth roughly $20,850 per month to Delta, a shade under $250k per year. Revenue estimates for 2013 are around $38 BILLION. This would equate to 0.00000657631579% of the revenue for Delta.
So, tell me how much the Company really cares if ALPA makes them cancel the codeshare again?
All calculations are subject to error:
*per a previous poster
**per previous discussion on a thread somewhere
That translates to about 417 code share passengers per month. Code shares don't make Delta much money, they get a finder's fee (ref ALK).
A finder's fee for a code share is probably around $50 per ticket*.
This is worth roughly $20,850 per month to Delta, a shade under $250k per year. Revenue estimates for 2013 are around $38 BILLION. This would equate to 0.00000657631579% of the revenue for Delta.
So, tell me how much the Company really cares if ALPA makes them cancel the codeshare again?
All calculations are subject to error:
*per a previous poster
**per previous discussion on a thread somewhere
06-11-2013, 02:51 PM
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06-11-2013, 02:52 PM
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Nope. Not at all.
What is the other idea that is being floated? Grieve it and have them pull the code share as a result. 316 does not matter any more, and they are free to pull down NRT at will. Yeah, I can see this web board after a decision like that.
Did you notice that there is no LOA, and we are months away from one? Would you have preferred a knee jerk response that left the pilots with less? Sounds good in theory until you have to test it. From talking to my two Reps, I can tell you that they explored many options. This one worked best and allowed the pilots to be brought in to the loop. A first in a long time.
What is the other idea that is being floated? Grieve it and have them pull the code share as a result. 316 does not matter any more, and they are free to pull down NRT at will. Yeah, I can see this web board after a decision like that.
Did you notice that there is no LOA, and we are months away from one? Would you have preferred a knee jerk response that left the pilots with less? Sounds good in theory until you have to test it. From talking to my two Reps, I can tell you that they explored many options. This one worked best and allowed the pilots to be brought in to the loop. A first in a long time.
06-11-2013, 02:58 PM
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I respect your opinions ... and respectfully disagree in this case.
Global traffic flows are shifting. We have to change and adapt. What the Northwest pilots negotiated, back when they came up with this, made sense then. Now, trained Economists are all watching the Bank of Japan and preparing their own book deals.
The other side of this is the capacity increases being brought on line by the Middle Eastern carriers. (I've not seen analysis on this yet) We may have to shift to point to point to compete.
While I gripe a lot about the three year window and non existent enforcement mechanisms, the truth is the AF / KLM / AZ Joint Venture concept is good strategic thinking. By drawing a circle around the whole of the operation we get our balance of anything new management wants to try in that space. A move towards an inclusive scope concept aids our pilots.
Global traffic flows are shifting. We have to change and adapt. What the Northwest pilots negotiated, back when they came up with this, made sense then. Now, trained Economists are all watching the Bank of Japan and preparing their own book deals.
The other side of this is the capacity increases being brought on line by the Middle Eastern carriers. (I've not seen analysis on this yet) We may have to shift to point to point to compete.
While I gripe a lot about the three year window and non existent enforcement mechanisms, the truth is the AF / KLM / AZ Joint Venture concept is good strategic thinking. By drawing a circle around the whole of the operation we get our balance of anything new management wants to try in that space. A move towards an inclusive scope concept aids our pilots.
06-11-2013, 03:12 PM
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The company has already decided to cut the flying to/from NRT.
That's the whole reason they needed a "waiver".
06-11-2013, 03:23 PM
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Nope. I read it, and talked to a rep. And if we give them a bunch of crap, it could get cut even more. Go to DefCon 4 if you want. I think it is a waste of time. I'll wait to see what we get for the violation. I don't expect much because it really isn't worth much IMHO, but hopefully we get something.
06-11-2013, 03:48 PM
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Are you talking the NWA strike? (1997 I believe?). I remember it well. You all (if you were PMNW) conducted an impeccable 2-week strike, and it resulted in a...drum roll...12% raise over either three or four years. Further, once your MEC ratified the post-strike TA, it was immediately back to work--you didn't even have membership ratification at that time (DAL didn't either until 1996).
So while I salute you over a well-conducted (and needed) strike, I would contend that it was a fair at best financial result, and one that today would probably be roundly criticized.
So while I salute you over a well-conducted (and needed) strike, I would contend that it was a fair at best financial result, and one that today would probably be roundly criticized.
Criticized, huh? I could have swore that strike ended the B scale, which amounted to a lot more of a raise than 12% for those with less than 6 years on the property. Is that not right?
Either way, for you to trivialize a group of your fellow pilots sacrifices for 15 days is pretty.... drum roll please.... Disrespectful.
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06-11-2013, 04:33 PM
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Exactly. And what is the potential downside? We say nope. You have to pull down the codeshare and then they say fine, we are gonna cut all the unprofitable flying to/from NRT since we have no contractual obligations anymore. I have no idea of the profitability of those flights, and I highly suggest that those that are grabbing their pitchforks better get that data before you go down this path. The downside risk could very well be more detrimental than beneficial. That being said, I would guess the company still does desire labor peace, so we will have a little leverage to negotiate from. We will see in September.
Is DAL really operating numerous unprofitable flights just to capture $21,000 a month in code share revenue?
06-11-2013, 04:35 PM
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Nope. I read it, and talked to a rep. And if we give them a bunch of crap, it could get cut even more. Go to DefCon 4 if you want. I think it is a waste of time. I'll wait to see what we get for the violation. I don't expect much because it really isn't worth much IMHO, but hopefully we get something.
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