Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-10-2013, 05:25 PM
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So this NRT thing is roughly 5000* pax per year on codeshare flights.....
That translates to about 417 code share passengers per month. Code shares don't make Delta much money, they get a finder's fee (ref ALK).
A finder's fee for a code share is probably around $50 per ticket*.
This is worth roughly $20,850 per month to Delta, a shade under $250k per year. Revenue estimates for 2013 are around $38 BILLION. This would equate to 0.00000657631579% of the revenue for Delta.
So, tell me how much the Company really cares if ALPA makes them cancel the codeshare again?
All calculations are subject to error:
*per a previous poster
**per previous discussion on a thread somewhere
That translates to about 417 code share passengers per month. Code shares don't make Delta much money, they get a finder's fee (ref ALK).
A finder's fee for a code share is probably around $50 per ticket*.
This is worth roughly $20,850 per month to Delta, a shade under $250k per year. Revenue estimates for 2013 are around $38 BILLION. This would equate to 0.00000657631579% of the revenue for Delta.
So, tell me how much the Company really cares if ALPA makes them cancel the codeshare again?
All calculations are subject to error:
*per a previous poster
**per previous discussion on a thread somewhere
06-10-2013, 05:37 PM
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My point was that we are looking to realign our scope with whatever the company wants to do in the moment. The NRT limits were set to protect our jobs.... here we are staring down more ER displacements, yet again. Remember, the company came to us saying that they intend to violate our scope.... that's how this started.
Let's see where this evolution is likely to go:
When we allow NRT to be pulled down because it's "less optimum," then we change to do point to point to other places in, say, China... we will then be codesharing with Chinese partners hubs. Our Asia hub gets pulled down, theirs grows while we continue to mitigate our most senior and highest paying jobs. Exactly what the AF/KL JV has done with the nice international flying you used to do on the ER.
Let's see where this evolution is likely to go:
When we allow NRT to be pulled down because it's "less optimum," then we change to do point to point to other places in, say, China... we will then be codesharing with Chinese partners hubs. Our Asia hub gets pulled down, theirs grows while we continue to mitigate our most senior and highest paying jobs. Exactly what the AF/KL JV has done with the nice international flying you used to do on the ER.
You will say that DALPA gave away the summer flying for only a promise to negotiate, but don't ya think that these few months allow the pilots time to get up to speed on the issue. Time well spent maybe?
06-10-2013, 05:41 PM
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06-10-2013, 05:41 PM
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I bolded a really important part for you. It was not something that apparently was "found" but reported according to your words. Maybe that proactive engagement piece worked and they told DALPA that the new schedule load was going to put them out of compliance. Maybe since it was something that DALPA had not asked for Rep input on before creating a negotiating position, they offered a contractually allowable period so that they could discuss with the Reps and the Reps with their pilots. Shocking I know. Maybe DALPA is trying to make sure the pilots are up to speed on an issue that is not time critical.
You will say that DALPA gave away the summer flying for only a promise to negotiate, but don't ya think that these few months allow the pilots time to get up to speed on the issue. Time well spent maybe?
You will say that DALPA gave away the summer flying for only a promise to negotiate, but don't ya think that these few months allow the pilots time to get up to speed on the issue. Time well spent maybe?
06-10-2013, 05:45 PM
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06-10-2013, 05:46 PM
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None of them get sued so often BY THEIR OWN MEMBERS...and those members winning.
UPS and SWAPA have not undercut the profession...they area currently leading it. Critical mass sounds good in theory, until you realize you'll never get APA, SWAPA or UPS. Never. Now you'll have to hope your critical mass stems from a growing regional system.
UPS and SWAPA have not undercut the profession...they area currently leading it. Critical mass sounds good in theory, until you realize you'll never get APA, SWAPA or UPS. Never. Now you'll have to hope your critical mass stems from a growing regional system.
It's definitely expensive when you order bottles of wine that costs hundreds of dollars per bottle. Or when you import "escorts" to Las Vegas for one of those tireless ALPA representation sessions.
You mean the LM2's that slowplay and alfaromeo cried against because they said the government forced them to make things look worse than they really were by havinig to fill out these LM2's?
But you're right, the LM2's are an accurate listing of total compensation sent to officers.
But you're right, the LM2's are an accurate listing of total compensation sent to officers.
Ouch! This is going to hurt. ALPA tried to bust their own internal union of clerical workers. A judge ruled against ALPA (big surprise there) and for the clerical employees. The judge ordered ALPA to stop the activities of trying to dismantle those employees contract. Can you say union busting? ALPA tried to break its own union of internal clerical employees. That's a fact. Fortunately (and as expected) ALPA failed.
Doesn't answer the point at all. The fact is that ALPA leaders do indeed take management positions of varoius types after their union work is finished. Babbitt is merely one example in a long list.
I don't think it's too much to ask for union officials staying off the sauce when they're working to represent us. If that's simply too much to ask, then you at least need to stay off the $200 per bottle and up wines.
Cheers!
Carl
Cheers!
Carl
Sometimes you must spend money to make money. DPA would do exactly the same. What do the CAPA guys do? SWAPA guys and gals? APA, IPA? Think they are all teetotalers? Gimmie a break.
06-10-2013, 05:50 PM
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Nope. Not at all.
What is the other idea that is being floated? Grieve it and have them pull the code share as a result. 316 does not matter any more, and they are free to pull down NRT at will. Yeah, I can see this web board after a decision like that.
Did you notice that there is no LOA, and we are months away from one? Would you have preferred a knee jerk response that left the pilots with less? Sounds good in theory until you have to test it. From talking to my two Reps, I can tell you that they explored many options. This one worked best and allowed the pilots to be brought in to the loop. A first in a long time.
What is the other idea that is being floated? Grieve it and have them pull the code share as a result. 316 does not matter any more, and they are free to pull down NRT at will. Yeah, I can see this web board after a decision like that.
Did you notice that there is no LOA, and we are months away from one? Would you have preferred a knee jerk response that left the pilots with less? Sounds good in theory until you have to test it. From talking to my two Reps, I can tell you that they explored many options. This one worked best and allowed the pilots to be brought in to the loop. A first in a long time.
06-10-2013, 05:54 PM
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Nope. Not at all.
What is the other idea that is being floated? Grieve it and have them pull the code share as a result. 316 does not matter any more, and they are free to pull down NRT at will. Yeah, I can see this web board after a decision like that.
Did you notice that there is no LOA, and we are months away from one? Would you have preferred a knee jerk response that left the pilots with less? Sounds good in theory until you have to test it. From talking to my two Reps, I can tell you that they explored many options. This one worked best and allowed the pilots to be brought in to the loop. A first in a long time.
What is the other idea that is being floated? Grieve it and have them pull the code share as a result. 316 does not matter any more, and they are free to pull down NRT at will. Yeah, I can see this web board after a decision like that.
Did you notice that there is no LOA, and we are months away from one? Would you have preferred a knee jerk response that left the pilots with less? Sounds good in theory until you have to test it. From talking to my two Reps, I can tell you that they explored many options. This one worked best and allowed the pilots to be brought in to the loop. A first in a long time.
06-10-2013, 07:17 PM
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06-10-2013, 07:31 PM
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What kind of FAA doc do you go to that gives an MRI?
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