Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-09-2013, 05:45 PM
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Here is ALPA's Counsel, Mr. Bill Roberts describing "Delta Flying" in his deposition:
Originally Posted by A is Bill Roberts's response to questions
Q So when you use the term Delta flying, you're referring to flying by Delta Airlines and by wholly owned carriers of Delta?
A Well, I think I'm referring to the flying that's done by or for Delta.
Q By or for Delta Airlines only?
A When you talked about Delta flying, it's flying that's done by or for Delta.
Q So is say Comair flying, flying that you would characterize as Delta flying?
A If it's flying, you know, under the Delta code then it's flying certainly for Delta.
Q Is flying for Delta what you consider Delta flying?
A I think in terms of the comfort it is. In terms of the scope clause, I think that is -- I believe that's how it's defined in the scope clause.
Q So is it your testimony, that the permission to affiliated or wholly owned carriers that appears in the Delta scope clause, is the method by which Comair for example is allowed to fly at all?
A Well, I think -- I think it's the method by which they can fly for Delta.
A Well, I think I'm referring to the flying that's done by or for Delta.
Q By or for Delta Airlines only?
A When you talked about Delta flying, it's flying that's done by or for Delta.
Q So is say Comair flying, flying that you would characterize as Delta flying?
A If it's flying, you know, under the Delta code then it's flying certainly for Delta.
Q Is flying for Delta what you consider Delta flying?
A I think in terms of the comfort it is. In terms of the scope clause, I think that is -- I believe that's how it's defined in the scope clause.
Q So is it your testimony, that the permission to affiliated or wholly owned carriers that appears in the Delta scope clause, is the method by which Comair for example is allowed to fly at all?
A Well, I think -- I think it's the method by which they can fly for Delta.
Now, despite claims to the contrary, Pinnacle has an agreement which restricts Delta flying. Pinnacle's agreement literally supercedes ours by duration.
Ironically, my guess is Wychor studied and learned from JC Lawson, Bob Arnold and the early (pre litigation) RJDC playbook and used his position to actually pull off what JC Lawson and Bob Arnold were trying to accomplish; scope which bound Delta Air Lines. Be interesting to hear Duane Woerth's opinion on the change.
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06-09-2013, 05:47 PM
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Actually.....I wouldn't. I'd get my car fixed and move on with my life. I've better things to do then fester and harp over what could've been. The problem with your analogy is that the system isn't broken. Everything we have is ours because as a group we approved it. Over 60% of our pilot group voted YES for this latest TA. And now it's our contract. Done. Over. We can't change it.
So while I enjoy and encourage sharing thoughts, I don't enjoy reading the same gripes, moans, and complaints about what is done. Choosing to not fly ALV+15 is now gone. The RJ scope has been changed. Over. We can either unite and decide how we want to fix it, or continue to mindlessly whine over something that 62% of our pilot group thought wasn't a bad deal.
So while I enjoy and encourage sharing thoughts, I don't enjoy reading the same gripes, moans, and complaints about what is done. Choosing to not fly ALV+15 is now gone. The RJ scope has been changed. Over. We can either unite and decide how we want to fix it, or continue to mindlessly whine over something that 62% of our pilot group thought wasn't a bad deal.
06-09-2013, 05:58 PM
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06-09-2013, 05:59 PM
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What gives? It's like thumbing through:
I mean, I love FTB like a brother from another mother, but my ankles itch when I visit this web site now.
What gives? It's like thumbing through:
I mean, I love FTB like a brother from another mother, but my ankles itch when I visit this web site now.
06-09-2013, 06:07 PM
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NRT is dying and HND is growing. Our future lies in overflying NRT and accessing HND. If we force the company to maintain the 316 slots they could simply drop the codeshare and we LOSE the protection entirely. If we grant the waiver(which is allowed) we are provided the opportunity to strengthen our current Asia protections, rather then lose them all together.
06-09-2013, 06:14 PM
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I don't have too much of a problem with them taking some of the NRT slots and using them at HND. However, I don't think we should count the overflights, those should be gravy. Think of the lost hub in Frankfort, for example. Point to point from the US comes and goes as markets advance and decline. But, if you have a hub you can use it when markets decline.
Simply stated, don't you wish we had someplace in Europe to funnel people into and then have us fly them onward.......like we do in NRT now? Don't give up NRT just because you think point to point from the US is forever.
Signed,
An Old Asia Hand
Simply stated, don't you wish we had someplace in Europe to funnel people into and then have us fly them onward.......like we do in NRT now? Don't give up NRT just because you think point to point from the US is forever.
Signed,
An Old Asia Hand
06-09-2013, 06:26 PM
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2. Takes dues on profit sharing and other bonuses.
3. Refuses to publish online Flight Pay Loss (in dollars paid) for DALPA Reps back to 2010 when required by resolution and ignored.
4. Delta gives over $39,000,000 annually to ALPA National, 34% of its income. Delta Pilots get back only 1/3rd for our use.
5. ALPA’s NET assets fell to $39,000,000 as of 12/31/2012. MCF is at $33,000,000 in uncommitted funds, ½ of the $70M required.
6. ALPA dues ($53,305) were used in 2012 to send American Eagle regional pilots to Six Flags Over Texas and baseball games.
7. ALPA is affiliated with the AFL-CIO. Delta Pilots have not approved this affiliation through a survey.
8. ALPA artificially lowered optional insurance rates below the ALPA negotiated Delta optional rates. Conflict of interest.
9. ALPA negotiated contracts are sloppy, full of loopholes and only enforced when it suits ALPA agendas. (Codeshare, bunks, etc.)
10. ALPA is unable to fully represent either side of a dual ALPA carrier merger. It must remain neutral or be sued.
11. Surveys results are not published, except the Age 60 survey which ALPA then ignored. No accountability. No unity.
12. ALPA refuses to follow survey results in selecting contract goals. Member mandates are ignored.
13. Delta Pilots are not allowed to vote for ALPA President/Officers or MEC Chairmen/Officers. Cronyism is rampant.
14. Conflict of Interest lawsuits are destroying ALPA finances. TWA - $1.7 Billion Damage Trial to conclude soon.
15. AirTran DFR, UAL Furlough Longevity and CAL Military lawsuits also currently in progress against ALPA. Legal fees are enormous.
16. Unity Resolution of 2000 affirms long-standing goal of recruiting independent unions, yet fails to represent current members.
17. Extravagant spending disrespects the membership. $360 per night hotel rooms, $1.5 Million BOD meeting on the beach in FL.
18. Refuses to publish online itemized pay and benefits received by local and national officers/representatives.
19. National officers/employees have a special pension benefit while the membership does not.
20. ALPA leaders often take management positions after union work is finished. Randy Babbitt is now SWA VP of Labor Relations.
21. Dues dollars are used to purchase alcohol at union meetings.
22. ALPA Toolbox is useless against a fellow ALPA carrier or any other carrier ALPA is attempting to recruit.
23. ALPA represents regional carriers. ALPA used the Delta contract to benefit regional members. (35% ALPA new hires, 76 seaters)
24. ALPA is allowing AF/KLM Joint Venture Scope non-compliance through a poorly crafted contract.
25. ALPA cannot stop trading scope for pay because it benefits its regional members.
26. ALPA designated reps are paid 92 hours monthly for position they could hold plus a $1,500/$1,000 stipend. Super seniority.
27. ALPA refuses to show the accounting books or officer names/salaries of offshore subsidiary Kitty Hawk Insurance Co.
28. ALPA National President received 2012 increase in total compensation from $540,408 to $576,968.
29. ALPA is $75M in debt. It is taking out more and more loans to cover legal expenses in multiple conflict of interest lawsuits.
30. ALPA’s first goal is to grow membership and associated dues income. Representing current members is secondary.
31. ALPA has taken in and been responsible for over $3 BILLION in total income since 2000. Has only $39M in NET assets left.
32. Minimum ALPA Designated Rep annual pay: CA Roberts - $283K, CA Van Sickle - $293K, FO Guilfoyle - $247K, FO Fries - $225K, CA Dominguez - $277K, FO Rogers - $247K, FO Olmstead - $225K, FO Coons - $229K – FO Nevins - $193K.
33. Jobs promised in last contract. No hiring for all of 2012 or 2013. 757s to be parked and 737s will replace..…pay cut.
34. ALPA Reps stated that Delta had no more left to give in last contract. Delta gives investors $1 BILLION (dividend and buyback) as a result. ALPA should have listened to the pilots instead of pursuing different agenda.
06-09-2013, 06:26 PM
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I don't have too much of a problem with them taking some of the NRT slots and using them at HND. However, I don't think we should count the overflights, those should be gravy. Think of the lost hub in Frankfort, for example. Point to point from the US comes and goes as markets advance and decline. But, if you have a hub you can use it when markets decline.
Simply stated, don't you wish we had someplace in Europe to funnel people into and then have us fly them onward.......like we do in NRT now? Don't give up NRT just because you think point to point from the US is forever.
Signed,
An Old Asia Hand
Simply stated, don't you wish we had someplace in Europe to funnel people into and then have us fly them onward.......like we do in NRT now? Don't give up NRT just because you think point to point from the US is forever.
Signed,
An Old Asia Hand
06-09-2013, 06:28 PM
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I don't have too much of a problem with them taking some of the NRT slots and using them at HND. However, I don't think we should count the overflights, those should be gravy. Think of the lost hub in Frankfort, for example. Point to point from the US comes and goes as markets advance and decline. But, if you have a hub you can use it when markets decline.
Simply stated, don't you wish we had someplace in Europe to funnel people into and then have us fly them onward.......like we do in NRT now? Don't give up NRT just because you think point to point from the US is forever.
Signed,
An Old Asia Hand
Simply stated, don't you wish we had someplace in Europe to funnel people into and then have us fly them onward.......like we do in NRT now? Don't give up NRT just because you think point to point from the US is forever.
Signed,
An Old Asia Hand
I do agree. NRT is not dead by a long shot. It has a lot of O and D as well. It may get down gauged like they have done in the past, but there is money to be made there even if it is not a focus city for our millions of US passengers to connect through Asia.
06-09-2013, 06:38 PM
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