Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-09-2013, 09:09 AM
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06-09-2013, 09:15 AM
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The answer to this is the old, "You didn't have to answer your phone until 0330." Which is not a great answer or way to operate an airline, but you could have waited to 0330, acknowledged the assignment, and signed in whenever you arrived (within reason on a normal day, generally two hours), read bulletins, checked your V-file, and walked to the jet. All within your contractual rights.
And not that this matters, but I have had them call and say "why didn't you acknowledge the trip?" Meaning we know you looked at icrew.
I have also had a call and hang up prior to SC starting which then because of curiosity's sake you end up looking online to see what you go. But that was before the automated system.
06-09-2013, 09:16 AM
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It's not always cumbersome Leine. There was nothing cumbersome about the way DALPA fought off the attempted buyout by USAirways. It was fast and efficient because DALPA wanted it fast and efficient. When DALPA doesn't want something, they invoke the cumbersome rule. Targeted cumbersome-ism is a defense mechanism...not bureaucratic reality.
See above.
We agree there.
False choice because our alternative action is decertification...not complaining. But regarding the concept of operating within the system we have, many of us have the exact opposite opinion. Here's why: we just got through working within the system by electing a large new slate of reps. These reps got rid of the really bad Moak loyalists in the MEC administration. What did the president of our "system" do? He negotiated a change to our contract for the benefit of another pilot group, without ever consulting our elected reps.
So exactly how effective was our attempt to change our system?
I know exactly how effective we would be. See above.
See above for the reality of attempting to seek meaningful improvement.
Carl
See above.
We agree there.
So exactly how effective was our attempt to change our system?
The usual suspects on this board (and the other one) are totally within their right to seek improvement. Just imagine how much change this faction could achieve if they rolled up their sleeves and chose to work within the current system (reality) rather than "complaining."
Carl
06-09-2013, 09:24 AM
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That's not fact, that's your opinion. Many of us have another opinion. That opinion was further bolstered by ALPA national negotiating a change to our contract for the benefit of another union...without our elected MEC being involved in any way. That's a fact. Not one single rep has come out against this action by ALPA national. Not one
I'm not seeing an unbroken portion of our system.
Carl
I'm not seeing an unbroken portion of our system.
Carl
Denny
06-09-2013, 09:32 AM
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I guess when I've read your debates I've wondered where you get fear from. I looked at the numbers differently and based on my experience (ran a flying hour program in the AF....yes probably apples to oranges to an extent) came up with a different answer than you did. Was it fear, nope. Am I insulted that guys "think" it was fear.........you bet.
My last bar fight was at Nellis during a Red Flag (ok, no punches were throw but it's still a good story). One guy thought I was too afraid to knock him off the ball in a crud match....he was wrong, and I was wrong to think he wouldn't be offended by my agressive move. Thank gawd we both had "understanding" squadron commanders
My last bar fight was at Nellis during a Red Flag (ok, no punches were throw but it's still a good story). One guy thought I was too afraid to knock him off the ball in a crud match....he was wrong, and I was wrong to think he wouldn't be offended by my agressive move. Thank gawd we both had "understanding" squadron commanders
The campaign of fear was a shameful act by our union. It's the choice of last resort by a leadership that knows they don't have the facts on their side. I wish more pilots could have been as dispassionate as you were, but many pilots simply couldn't. That's not as much their fault as it is the fault of the team who waged the fear campaign.
Carl
06-09-2013, 10:04 AM
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^^^ this.
And not that this matters, but I have had them call and say "why didn't you acknowledge the trip?" Meaning we know you looked at icrew.
I have also had a call and hang up prior to SC starting which then because of curiosity's sake you end up looking online to see what you go. But that was before the automated system.
And not that this matters, but I have had them call and say "why didn't you acknowledge the trip?" Meaning we know you looked at icrew.
I have also had a call and hang up prior to SC starting which then because of curiosity's sake you end up looking online to see what you go. But that was before the automated system.
06-09-2013, 10:11 AM
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On many afternoon SCs I had the kids and wouldn't have help until the SC began. Thy could give me a heads up but I wasn't able to leave until SC started no matter what.
The SC that made me mad but I did it to get to bucket 2 was a 1 hour call to deadhead departure. I won't do that again.
The SC that made me mad but I did it to get to bucket 2 was a 1 hour call to deadhead departure. I won't do that again.
06-09-2013, 10:16 AM
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What was the change negotiated by ALPA National to our contract. What is/was the specific language changed? I thought the Pinnacle MEC (probably with Nationals help) negotiated, as part of their bankruptcy contract, to get preferential interviews with Delta. Yes, I know it was negotiated directly with Delta Management and, yes, I believe it sets a bad precedent, but I don't think the Delta Pilots Contract was changed.......or was it and I'm just a DumbA... and don't know it.
Denny
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06-09-2013, 10:21 AM
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T-4 now feels more like T-3. On my two par-5 and a par-3 walk, I noticed not less than 3 birds flying around the concourse. Did we transplant the rats over too?
06-09-2013, 10:21 AM
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What was the change negotiated by ALPA National to our contract. What is/was the specific language changed? I thought the Pinnacle MEC (probably with Nationals help) negotiated, as part of their bankruptcy contract, to get preferential interviews with Delta. Yes, I know it was negotiated directly with Delta Management and, yes, I believe it sets a bad precedent, but I don't think the Delta Pilots Contract was changed.......or was it and I'm just a DumbA... and don't know it.
Denny
Denny
The precedence here is eye popping. But more importantly, it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that ALPA is behaving like a national union even though that's prohibited by the RLA. We at DALPA could easily reverse this in court IMO because I believe we'd have the RLA on our side. But not a single rep has come out against this action by ALPA national. Also, remember this was done after we Delta pilots made an extraordinary effort to curb this kind of stuff by electing a large slate of new reps (working within the system).
Carl
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