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Old 06-07-2013, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Just wait until they announce the "opportunity" for the company being out of compliance with the AF/KL JV next year...
Originally Posted by georgetg
Here's my question, thank you for playing:

Why are we giving the company a waiver on scope in NRT when the company has shown no plan on how to bring our share of the Transatlantic JV flying back up to 50%...

Up until now, we were told there is nothing we can do. Everything is in compliance and that we hold no cards when it comes to the flying share of the Transatlantic JV.

The scope improvement opportunity now is to tell the company no dice on the NRT waiver unless we see a comprehensive plan to bring the Delta transatlantic flying share up to 50% on a 3-year loockback.


Wouldn't we need more 7ER FOs if we were flying our 50% share of the Transatlantic JV flying?

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Old 06-07-2013, 12:34 PM
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Yes, indeed.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
George's idea is worth a bump!
Agreed 100%!
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Hey ... isn't cool for once they're giving us advance notice? Giving us an opportunity to chime in and be represented?

I say BRAVO!
Seems that the discussion of these terms should have been negotiated before temporary approval was granted by the MEC.

That's just me though.
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Old 06-07-2013, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Here's the problem with that Hockey. What good would it do to have remedies and consequences built into Section 1 when the company violates the current language at will, and DALPA gives them relief for the violation? Wouldn't DALPA just give them relief for the remedies and consequences if management asked? Maybe even without management asking?

By now it should be clear to everyone that we are now operating under the culture of Northwest Airlines...not the late great Delta Air Lines culture. As such, we need a fNWA type like Ken Watts to enforce every single word of the contract. EVERY SINGLE WORD. Unless and until we enforce every word in the same manner management enforces every word when it's in their interests to do so, then additional protective language will protect nothing.

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I agree, Carl. Whatever happened to Ken? Did he retire? What an great knowledgeable guy.
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Old 06-07-2013, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Seems that the discussion of these terms should have been negotiated before temporary approval was granted by the MEC.

That's just me though.
Notice the dates on our "waiver". Gets the company through the summer.
How convenient.
Seems our MEC is scared of having too much leverage.
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Old 06-07-2013, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Hey ... isn't cool for once they're giving us advance notice? Giving us an opportunity to chime in and be represented?

I say BRAVO!
I'm going to say this again. Bar, you are a good man and I like you (not in a man crush way...just as a person) but you are deeply conflicted in your allegiance to an organization that doesn't represent you very well. Oh btw I am going to egg your house and steal your car....you can thank me now for communicating my intentions giving you the opportunity to chime in and be represented
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Old 06-07-2013, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Notice the dates on our "waiver". Gets the company through the summer.
How convenient.
Seems our MEC is scared of having too much leverage.
Leverage is only required when going against an opponent. DALPA is not an opponent to management, they (we) are a partner with management. That's the experiment we're all in today. We're in a union with "new style" leaders.

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Old 06-07-2013, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
I'm going to say this again. Bar, you are a good man and I like you (not in a man crush way...just as a person) but you are deeply conflicted in your allegiance to an organization that doesn't represent you very well. Oh btw I am going to egg your house and steal your car....you can thank me now for communicating my intentions giving you the opportunity to chime in and be represented
Jack, I'm pretty sure Bar was being sarcastic here but forgot to put the sarcastic smiley there. I'm right on this...aren't I Bar?

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Old 06-07-2013, 01:41 PM
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I just wrote my reps regarding our scope opportunities........ Don't think they will like my letter too much though.
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