Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-06-2013, 03:58 AM
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I was really just reiterating the information that has been conveyed to me as a line pilot. I'm not trying not to use optimism or pessimism when I opine about contract negotiations.
As to the bolded portion of your post, I, and I like to believe, many other of our pilots will have a major issue with that. It does bother me that LOAs are signed without any input from the pilot group, but if the majority of those changes are minor in nature then I can accept that. Negotiating in good faith over time is not a strategy, and relief for being out of compliance with negotiated contractual requirements is a major show-stopper for me.
I'm cautiously optimistic. (Maybe I am being pessimistic)
As to the bolded portion of your post, I, and I like to believe, many other of our pilots will have a major issue with that. It does bother me that LOAs are signed without any input from the pilot group, but if the majority of those changes are minor in nature then I can accept that. Negotiating in good faith over time is not a strategy, and relief for being out of compliance with negotiated contractual requirements is a major show-stopper for me.
I'm cautiously optimistic. (Maybe I am being pessimistic)
You are preaching to the choir.
06-06-2013, 04:05 AM
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I've not tried to control anything. You've always been a stalwart supporter of our DALPA status quo. That's your right. But guys like you and sailingfud really hate it when one of the team gets nailed for lying. If your response is to claim I'm controlling the debate and leave, it speaks volumes.
The fix here is for our usual suspects to stop lying and spinning. Then I can return to lurking as well.
Carl
The fix here is for our usual suspects to stop lying and spinning. Then I can return to lurking as well.
Carl
06-06-2013, 05:08 AM
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Two major things that I've been told by my reps that stands out,
1.) C2012 marked a significant reverse of flying back to mainline with the 88 717s and drastic reduction in 50 seaters with hard caps on all RJs.
2.) We, the pilot group, weren't able to secure as high pay raises, but we were able to some major protections against JVs and Codeshare agreements that protected pilot jobs at DAL.
I'm curious to see what plays out over the next year or so, seeing as we are scheduled to be out of compliance with our share of the JV international flying.
1.) C2012 marked a significant reverse of flying back to mainline with the 88 717s and drastic reduction in 50 seaters with hard caps on all RJs.
2.) We, the pilot group, weren't able to secure as high pay raises, but we were able to some major protections against JVs and Codeshare agreements that protected pilot jobs at DAL.
I'm curious to see what plays out over the next year or so, seeing as we are scheduled to be out of compliance with our share of the JV international flying.
Yes I said sweaters. I'm tired of fighting with the phone over whether I meant sweater or seater.
06-06-2013, 05:27 AM
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To best understand RJ scope you have to understand our plan....
06-06-2013, 05:42 AM
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Ramp-Up in LAX
Had heard DL was going to ramp up flights out of LAX this summer & fall, now you can see them on travelnet, interesting stuff. Not sure how long they've been there, maybe old news is old. If you look at LAX-SFO on, say, Sept 6, they're operating an hourly shuttle from 7am to 9pm for 14 flights total, up from 11 now. On LAX-SEA they go to 5x a day vs 3x now. LAX-MCI 2x vs 1x now. LAX-OAK 7x up from 4x now. LAX-SJC 5x daily is new service, it's currently all Horizon Q400s. LAX-SMF 5x from 4x now. LAX-PHX 5x from 4x now. LAX-GEG 1x, new service.
Aaand now the other shoe drops: all that new service is done with - you guessed it - Jumbo RJs (CR7, CR9, E70, E75). Good thing they recently got 70 more, otherwise their only alternative to Alaska would be mainline and your vampire LAX pilots would be forced to do something other than redeyes. Oww, the sunlight, it burns!
Kidding aside, while right now it's just one form of outsourcing replacing another, this does represent another step towards competing with Alaska on the west coast. Hopefully it grows to the point that mainline eventually gets some of that sweet, laidback west coast flying. 
Edit: I was actually wrong. 1 of the LAX-SEA flights is an A320. So there's that!
Aaand now the other shoe drops: all that new service is done with - you guessed it - Jumbo RJs (CR7, CR9, E70, E75). Good thing they recently got 70 more, otherwise their only alternative to Alaska would be mainline and your vampire LAX pilots would be forced to do something other than redeyes. Oww, the sunlight, it burns!
Kidding aside, while right now it's just one form of outsourcing replacing another, this does represent another step towards competing with Alaska on the west coast. Hopefully it grows to the point that mainline eventually gets some of that sweet, laidback west coast flying. Edit: I was actually wrong. 1 of the LAX-SEA flights is an A320. So there's that!
06-06-2013, 05:48 AM
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I honestly wonder if DAL leadership, and specifically Network, is just giving these guys 10 lbs of proverbial flour and asking them to stuff it into a five pound bag.
Think about it. We already have one of the world's most mixed-up fleets. Then thrown in a marketing department that just salivates at the opportunity to change aircraft on a near daily basis to "perfectly" match fleet with market, maximize revenue, blah blah blah. Now add lots of bases scattered all over the place, and retiring one aircraft outright in the near term (DC9), bringing in a new fleet, drawing down another, etc etc, and it is a wonder that they can keep up at all.
I think the real hitch is the fact that Network likes to make their plans at the last second, holding out for the "best" numbers from marketing and res sales, then throws the whole mess to crew resources and then say, "here, make the pilot categories work to support this block hour plan."
That's just armchair speculating, but I suspect that has something to do with it.
06-06-2013, 05:50 AM
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Carl, I sent my DPA card in and will renew if asked. Any way this forum is slowly turning into the Dalpa forum with the same 15 guys posting here every day, except it's the pro DPA forum, anti LM and anti Dalpa forum. I will come back to lurk every now and then, but it's become a bore.
06-06-2013, 05:59 AM
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Had heard DL was going to ramp up flights out of LAX this summer & fall, now you can see them on travelnet, interesting stuff. Not sure how long they've been there, maybe old news is old. If you look at LAX-SFO on, say, Sept 6, they're operating an hourly shuttle from 7am to 9pm for 14 flights total, up from 11 now. On LAX-SEA they go to 5x a day vs 3x now. LAX-MCI 2x vs 1x now. LAX-OAK 7x up from 4x now. LAX-SJC 5x daily is new service, it's currently all Horizon Q400s. LAX-SMF 5x from 4x now. LAX-PHX 5x from 4x now. LAX-GEG 1x, new service.
Aaand now the other shoe drops: all that new service is done with - you guessed it - Jumbo RJs (CR7, CR9, E70, E75). Good thing they recently got 70 more, otherwise their only alternative to Alaska would be mainline and your vampire LAX pilots would be forced to do something other than redeyes. Oww, the sunlight, it burns! .... Hopefully it grows to the point that mainline eventually gets some of that sweet, laidback west coast flying.
Aaand now the other shoe drops: all that new service is done with - you guessed it - Jumbo RJs (CR7, CR9, E70, E75). Good thing they recently got 70 more, otherwise their only alternative to Alaska would be mainline and your vampire LAX pilots would be forced to do something other than redeyes. Oww, the sunlight, it burns! .... Hopefully it grows to the point that mainline eventually gets some of that sweet, laidback west coast flying.
So why did the Delta MEC divest the Compass pilots again?
06-06-2013, 06:00 AM
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I think the real hitch is the fact that Network likes to make their plans at the last second, holding out for the "best" numbers from marketing and res sales, then throws the whole mess to crew resources and then say, "here, make the pilot categories work to support this block hour plan."
That's just armchair speculating, but I suspect that has something to do with it.
That's just armchair speculating, but I suspect that has something to do with it.
06-06-2013, 06:01 AM
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IThis month's Flying magazine is terrific, written by an E175 Captain, enjoying cruise in his modern jet, making more coin, with better toys and more time off, enjoying his CREW MEAL on a domestic leg and he's like 15 years younger than me ....
So why did the Delta MEC divest the Compass pilots again?
So why did the Delta MEC divest the Compass pilots again?
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