Timbo

Or, as my dad told me a long time ago;

"Opinions are like azzholes, everyone has one, and everyone else's stinks!"

Get 10 pilots together and you'll hear at least 11 different opinions!

80ktsClamp

Think about this logically- those are 757s that are being pulled, which means non augmented operations being pulled. Shouldn't it be CAs and FOs pulled?

Again, I think they are just shooting from the hip trying to keep the operation from collapsing... very little about this AE makes sense except they are trying a desperate stop gap.


I've said my piece on sailing. He's at least admitted that it was a jump this time. Progress? Maybe next week he'll figure out the appropriate use of your/you're.

TeddyKGB

As well at Delta runs the Air Line, you would think that they would have a little better grasp on staffing and crew planning / scheduling. Seems like they could be a little more on the ball in regards to these areas.

Scoop

Seriously? You think Carl tries to control the debate? I am just happy that Carl as a 747 Captain actually cares about issues that affect all DAL Pilots. If you want to see someone try to control the debate check out Hangar Talk in the DALPA forums.

Usually it only takes less than 5 post to hijack every new thread into one of the following, DPA vs. DALPA or how we got suckered with the current contract.

I for one love to hear different opinions backed up with reasons or facts. As a matter of fact I would rather hear from guys and gals that disagree with me than from people who agree with me. Hearing opposing arguments make you rethink your positions and also helps you to improve your critical thinking and thus your argument.

Scoop

DeadHead

So let me just ask the million dollar question now.....With 125 50-seaters, the additional 70 76-seaters, and our fleet of eventual 717s/m88/m90/737/320, will there be a desire by management for additional scope relied come 2015?

Personally, I can't see being much more need for "smaller aircraft" feed as we near the back end of the the great 50 RJ experiment.

scambo1

Is the 3 year lookback scope relief?

Are JVs / codeshares scope relief?

In 2015 there will be an attempt (probably successful) for scope relief.

Just Say No.

DeadHead

Two major things that I've been told by my reps that stands out,

1.) C2012 marked a significant reverse of flying back to mainline with the 88 717s and drastic reduction in 50 seaters with hard caps on all RJs.

2.) We, the pilot group, weren't able to secure as high pay raises, but we were able to some major protections against JVs and Codeshare agreements that protected pilot jobs at DAL.


I'm curious to see what plays out over the next year or so, seeing as we are scheduled to be out of compliance with our share of the JV international flying.

Free Mason

Not when marketing changes the flying distribution/block hr plan on you.

scambo1

DH;

I want to be optimistic, but that would be forward looking and I don't see hard enough evidence of "GROWTH" at the mainline. C2012 would have really marked a significant reverse of flying back to mainline if the RJ language had NOT changed from what it was previously (see FTBs chart post). IMO this is an "only time will tell" thing. As it stands right now, the only forward looking evidence I see is a mainline downgauge.

For your bullet point 2, you put my response in the text afterward. The lookback matters, it's contractual, it will probably be waived by a non-membership vote LOA (If history is a guide). This effectively dilutes any JV / codeshare protective language. Additionally, I am interested in seeing what sort of hard language develops for the Virgin Atlantic piece. If it mirrors Virgin Australia, is that a win?

DeadHead

I was really just reiterating the information that has been conveyed to me as a line pilot. I'm not trying not to use optimism or pessimism when I opine about contract negotiations.

As to the bolded portion of your post, I, and I like to believe, many other of our pilots will have a major issue with that. It does bother me that LOAs are signed without any input from the pilot group, but if the majority of those changes are minor in nature then I can accept that. Negotiating in good faith over time is not a strategy, and relief for being out of compliance with negotiated contractual requirements is a major show-stopper for me.

I'm cautiously optimistic. (Maybe I am being pessimistic)