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Maybe, however almost every pilot on this forum stated as almost a fact that we would lose that aircraft in this contract . Post after post about DCI getting larger aircraft including articles from industry experts.
The number of 76 seaters contractually allowed was reduced from 255 to 223 in the new contract.
The number of 76 seaters contractually allowed was reduced from 255 to 223 in the new contract.
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When you say they got larger aircraft do you mean larger than large or just more large aircraft? They've definitely gotten more large aircraft, that's for sure, and all 70 (max allowed) are already on order.
And when I say more large aircraft I mean more aircraft that are large. It's not big, it's large. <- for you Texans.
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Those who fail to learn from history.....
Yeah it's great they are tooting their horns about not fighting for market share at the expensive of yields blah blah blah. Will we look back in 10 years with yet another management team and ask why were we so dumb as to cede more hubs and territory. LAX which was OWNED by Western Airlines ring a bell anyone? Now we have a tricky situation trying to get milk at a discount rate from the likes of Alaska and others in the Northwest. Bet the current management team wishes we still owned LAX. Food for thought.
Yeah it's great they are tooting their horns about not fighting for market share at the expensive of yields blah blah blah. Will we look back in 10 years with yet another management team and ask why were we so dumb as to cede more hubs and territory. LAX which was OWNED by Western Airlines ring a bell anyone? Now we have a tricky situation trying to get milk at a discount rate from the likes of Alaska and others in the Northwest. Bet the current management team wishes we still owned LAX. Food for thought.
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Ah, picture of a large RJ was too large.
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Maybe, however almost every pilot on this forum stated as almost a fact that we would lose that aircraft in this contract . Post after post about DCI getting larger aircraft including articles from industry experts.
The number of 76 seaters contractually allowed was reduced from 255 to 223 in the new contract.
The number of 76 seaters contractually allowed was reduced from 255 to 223 in the new contract.
I won't call you a liar, but I have to ask how you definitively know that management approached the negotiators for relief on 190's to be flown at DCI?
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I spoke at length with one of the negotiators. Just to set the record straight they did not ask specifically for the E190. They asked for more seats and weight that clearly was geared to that aircraft. They offered higher pay rates in exchange. I think if some here took the time to ever engage one of the negotiators about the process and what was traded back and forth they might have a somewhat different opinion of the results. Negotiations are always a give and take. Negotiations under the RLA give management a huge advantage. One thing I really find a odd comment form junior pilots is that they cite how well the company is doing as something that is wrong. Yet the fact the company is doing well will benefit them far more then the senior pilots over time. Time to take a long break from the giant pity party that has become this forum. I check back in 3 years from now and we will see who's version of the future was more correct.
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I spoke at length with one of the negotiators. Just to set the record straight they did not ask specifically for the E190. They asked for more seats and weight that clearly was geared to that aircraft. They offered higher pay rates in exchange. I think if some here took the time to ever engage one of the negotiators about the process and what was traded back and forth they might have a somewhat different opinion of the results. Negotiations are always a give and take. Negotiations under the RLA give management a huge advantage. One thing I really find a odd comment form junior pilots is that they cite how well the company is doing as something that is wrong. Yet the fact the company is doing well will benefit them far more then the senior pilots over time. Time to take a long break from the giant pity party that has become this forum. I check back in 3 years from now and we will see who's version of the future was more correct.
We traded concessions (with some improvements) for COLA and large RJs.
Mgmt has an especially huge advantage when our MEC is working for them. How 'bout that strike preparedness committee - never spooled because it was never intended to be used. "Fleeting opportunities" and all.
The only upside I see is a 3 year duration and the (non-guaranteed) possibility of patterning up on Unical and USAA (since our JV partners and other pilots aren't in our competitive set).
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