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Old 06-05-2013, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Management floated the E190 rumor because they wanted a compromise on more 76 seat jets. However, they got the scope exchange instead. You always ask for double what you want; management negotiation 101.
Ah but if we ask for double then we are deemed to be operating in bad faith and thats taken to a judge and we are given pay cuts. So we have to temper what we ask for to just barely above our.minimums and management will do the same.

I can hear you laughing.

Just give me a few minutes to look back through the threads from this time last year and I'll find just that.

Then I'll hear your face palming.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
What did Mark Twain say about newspapers? If you don't read them you're uninformed. If you read them, you're misinformed.

I think that's our motto around here.
My all time favorite from Mark Twain is "I have never wished anyone dead but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure". Something like that.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
There was no E190 rumor floated... that's just sailing being sailing.

Conflicting reports of mgmt asking for more seats allowed on the 76 seaters (up to 82) were floated, but that was after the contract was out for a vote.

When I spoke with those involved in the process before it came to a vote, they adamantly stated that mgmt had NOT come to them for any seat relief.
They may have never asked for it in negotiations, I don't know that. However, Delta management did ask Pinnacle to come up with rates for the E190. The message boards exploded with the rumor Delta wanted E190's after that. I can't help but think it is A4A that comes up with that crap.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:55 AM
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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

A California woman injured while sliding down an emergency chute after a Delta Air Lines flight returned to Atlanta is suing the airline, according to a lawsuit.

Tania Garcia-Castro said she continues to suffer from pain, both physical and emotional, since the June 2011 incident when the Los Angeles-bound flight returned to Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport. She said her medical expenses have exceeded $55,000.

Efforts were being made to reach Delta for comment. The lawsuit was filed in Gwinnett County Superior Court last month.

Flight 1323, headed to L.A. on June 20, 2011, had 174 people onboard and was loaded with 48,000 pounds of jet fuel, according an air traffic control recording obtained by 95.5FM News/Talk WSB.

In her suit, Garcia-Castro said the flight had just taken off when passengers heard “a loud bang” and “red streaks of fire” were seen coming from a left engine. Someone from the flight crew was heard on the air traffic control recording telling the control tower an engine had caught fire.

The plane returned to the airport and landed safely. The crew ordered passengers to evacuate down the emergency chute.

Garcia-Castro said after she slid down the chute, passengers following her collided into her before she had time to clear the slide. She said she was struck in the back and legs and suffered bruises, numbness and pain from the injuries.

At the time, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported several passengers suffered injuries as they slid down the escape chute.

The suit says Delta was negligent in not preventing the engine fire, in not conducting an orderly evacuation and in not keeping passengers from injury.

In addition to past, current and medical costs, Garcia-Castro is seeking compensatory damages for lost wages, pain and suffering, and emotional distress.
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
That's exactly what you are calling me. Regardless that is straight from people involved in the process. The offered more pay to run more seats at DCI.
Did it ever occur to you that the 190 demand was not real, but rather a diversion or negotiating tactic?
"We really, really, really want the 190 and want it to be flown at DCI."
"No way."
"OK, let's just meet in the middle and give us lots of new 76 seaters."
"Sounds good. You gotta deal."
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
They may have never asked for it in negotiations, I don't know that. However, Delta management did ask Pinnacle to come up with rates for the E190. The message boards exploded with the rumor Delta wanted E190's after that. I can't help but think it is A4A that comes up with that crap.
That was late last year when that rumor popped up, right? DL contract negotiations concluded in spring.

Every time someone has posed a question to RA regarding the E190 he has lambasted the airplane as an overly expensive, short term solution to a longer term problem.
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dalad
My all time favorite from Mark Twain is "I have never wished anyone dead but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure". Something like that.
Here's another:

Ah, well, I am a great and sublime fool. But then I am God’s fool, and all His work must be contemplated with respect.
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Delta wanted the E190 rather badly in the last contract negotiation. They just did not want it at the mainline. They were willing to pay to have it at DCI however the offer was rejected.
Complete BS. You weren't there, and you can point to no document to back up your claim...again.

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Old 06-05-2013, 12:19 PM
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So here's a rumor:
possible delays with the 717? I hear they're slowing training somewhat to help mitigate the 88 pilot shortage (i.e. keeping 88 pilots longer). And I've heard from several FL pilots that the MELs are getting pretty long on the jet. Someone from training explained that Boeing has to accept the airplanes first from SWA and per the agreement they can't show up in a mess. If so, that could cause some delays prior to them getting fixed up for us as Boeing and SWA work out who is going to pay to get them to what Boeing says is acceptable. So expect the "aggressive" delivery schedule to fail. Supposedly though we do have a 717 ready to start some bounces and OE training. And that once they're here they'll do some sort of job share with the DC-9 in that they would sporadically pull a DC-9 off and put a 717 on the route as they see fit.
Don't know, just repeating several different people.
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Sailing;

I don't believe one word of this post.

And I am not calling you a liar.
I am. And it's a real habit with sailingfun. He simply makes this stuff up in some desperate attempt to appear that he's in the know. He has no evidence whatsoever.

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