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06-05-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

That is a concern in the back of my head. The freighters slowing down are typically one of the first indicators of an economic slowdown or recovery.

That being said, it looks like their model may be changing from what it has been, which may cloud that usual prediction.

Cloud's a good word for it. The economy is cleared for takeoff except it's fogged in and it's ORD and the 10-9s were ripped out.

Yeah the housing market where I am is going gangbusters. We'd make money on my house and if we sold it for the comps in the neighborhood we'd believe it or not make more than we paid plus everything we've put into it. Plus I hear there is pent up demand supposedly throughout the economy from years of not spending money. All good signs but there are plenty of canaries in the coal mine that look really sick.

06-05-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by scambo1

Sailing;

I don't believe one word of this post.

And I am not calling you a liar.

That's exactly what you are calling me. Regardless that is straight from people involved in the process. The offered more pay to run more seats at DCI.

06-05-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Cloud's a good word for it. The economy is cleared for takeoff except it's fogged in and it's ORD and the 10-9s were ripped out.

Yeah the housing market where I am is going gangbusters. I'd make money on my house and if I sold it for the comps in the neighborhood I'd make more than paid plus everything we've put into it. And there is pent up demand supposedly throughout the economy from years of not spending money. All good signs but there are plenty of canaries in the coal mine that look really sick.

Sub-prime lending is becoming the law again. After that bubble, there's no bailout left. My personal target for re-shorting is late 2015.

06-05-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

That's exactly what you are calling me. Regardless that is straight from people involved in the process. The offered more pay to run more seats at DCI.

The fact is that what you are stating completely goes against what many of us have seen RA (and others in senior mgmt) state about the E190 on a number of occasions.

06-05-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Columbia

Just misinformed.

What did Mark Twain say about newspapers? If you don't read them you're uninformed. If you read them, you're misinformed.

I think that's our motto around here.

06-05-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

That's exactly what you are calling me. Regardless that is straight from people involved in the process. The offered more pay to run more seats at DCI.

No, I believe you are telling the truth. I also believe you were misled.

06-05-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge

You nailed it.

It was actually a SPOT scenario that had an MEL before we went flying into the W/S, to be fair...Still far too many "right" places to find stuff. I didn't even mention the Airway Manual

Wait until you get the V1 cut and fly into the windshear the instructor forgot to take out from the previous event!

06-05-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank

RA is very up to speed on the economy.

Is it possible his reticence to hire is fueled by a belief that another economic meltdown is imminent?

Or is does his new position in charge of the IATA indicate that top-end outsourcing is about to kick into overdrive?

There have been numerous studies done that show the next generation coming up is much more likely to spend whatever little money they have with Delta, rather than buy a car or a house. Another positive of a downturn is that fuel prices collapse and more than offset the loss of revenue due to decreasing load factor. Stagflation is what kills the airlines, and if Delta is being cautious, it is more likely they are expecting a repeat of the economic conditions of 2002-2007.

However, I think Delta is not hiring because the last contract has made them slightly overstaffed.

06-05-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

The fact is that what you are stating completely goes against what many of us have seen RA (and others in senior mgmt) state about the E190 on a number of occasions.

Management floated the E190 rumor because they wanted a compromise on more 76 seat jets. However, they got the scope exchange instead. You always ask for double what you want; management negotiation 101.

06-05-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

There was no E190 rumor floated... that's just sailing being sailing.

Conflicting reports of mgmt asking for more seats allowed on the 76 seaters (up to 82) were floated, but that was after the contract was out for a vote.

When I spoke with those involved in the process before it came to a vote, they adamantly stated that mgmt had NOT come to them for any seat relief.