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Where am I incorrect on the count? I said there were likely greater than 5000 who signed a card because they felt it was worthwhile. Beyond that, both of us can only speculate based upon our own antidotal observations who's cards have been or will/will not be renewed.
We will have to agree to disagree on this point. I think many still have hope for the new organization regardless of some of the polarizing remarks Tim has made (no doubt when he is fueled up about the latest ALPA fiasco). Btw, I have watched some of the video conferences DPA has put on. Many of those guys are not "morons" as you say but honest to goodness good guys looking for change. Many are level headed, rational thinking guys trying to improve the profession and take some control back that will help current and future airline pilots and their families. I think it is disingenuous for you to label all of them "morons". I dislike ALPA and I don't call them morons. I know many ALPA guys I respect greatly and feel their pain when they try to change and are taken out of the most important decision making processes. DPA has more support than you are giving it credit for IMHO.
We will have to agree to disagree on this point. I think many still have hope for the new organization regardless of some of the polarizing remarks Tim has made (no doubt when he is fueled up about the latest ALPA fiasco). Btw, I have watched some of the video conferences DPA has put on. Many of those guys are not "morons" as you say but honest to goodness good guys looking for change. Many are level headed, rational thinking guys trying to improve the profession and take some control back that will help current and future airline pilots and their families. I think it is disingenuous for you to label all of them "morons". I dislike ALPA and I don't call them morons. I know many ALPA guys I respect greatly and feel their pain when they try to change and are taken out of the most important decision making processes. DPA has more support than you are giving it credit for IMHO.
I'm sure there are some smart people involved on the inside at DPA. I just have yet to run into any that actually know what they are talking about. (well, except for Carl Spackler. He's one smart cookie. If I saw his name heading up the effort, I'll give it a second look) Look at how many emails Caplinger has put out with these long, emotional rants... and then had to retract various "facts" that he put in there due to not understanding what he was looking at.
I filled out a card, and there is no way they'll be getting a renewal. I'm not alone.
I felt the idea had merit at the time and was worth exploring, but 80 said it well that DPA would be worse, far worse.
Things are not perfect and the never will be. I'll take our reality any day though over DPA's promise of utopia. I'm always wary of those that over promise without ever having had to produce concrete results. The DPA bullet points you put up are admirable goals, but ive seen nothing to show me that the few guys running the side show are capable of executing even a smidgen of what they're promising.
I felt the idea had merit at the time and was worth exploring, but 80 said it well that DPA would be worse, far worse.
Things are not perfect and the never will be. I'll take our reality any day though over DPA's promise of utopia. I'm always wary of those that over promise without ever having had to produce concrete results. The DPA bullet points you put up are admirable goals, but ive seen nothing to show me that the few guys running the side show are capable of executing even a smidgen of what they're promising.
They know the displacements won't last long, but they just have to do them to staff the MD88.
Hummm....
See the 40 to go? That's what they are claiming they need to call for a vote. That number in reality is at least 1000 away due expired cards that have not been renewed. They don't publish the real number... transparent, right?
I'm sure there are some smart people involved on the inside at DPA. I just have yet to run into any that actually know what they are talking about. Look at how many emails Caplinger has put out with these long, emotional rants... and then had to retract various "facts" that he put in there due to not understanding what he was looking at.
I'm sure there are some smart people involved on the inside at DPA. I just have yet to run into any that actually know what they are talking about. Look at how many emails Caplinger has put out with these long, emotional rants... and then had to retract various "facts" that he put in there due to not understanding what he was looking at.
Launching a competing product into any market let alone a market where you start with no access to contact info, shut out from using company resources that your competitor uses freely with the governing bodies blessing (Delta does this because they love and want to keep the, ahem, 50/50 "mutually beneficial working relationship with the current union). The company whispers into ALPA's ear compliments of Mr. Campbell, a $1000/hr union busting attorney (who also happens to want to keep ALPA around...I wonder why?) to shut down the competing product.
Yes Tim gets emotional and has said dumb things. Have you ever? Tim and DPA have been very clear....there will be an election for the new union. It is highly probably Tim wont run but if he does he probably would never get elected. That said, the organization is borrowing best practices for a bottom up organization that will represent the pilots in the best way going forward. I think that is what many who have filled out DPA cards are interested in.
The DPA has made an remarkable amount of progress given all the obstacles and unlevel playing field set before them. Time will tell if the amount of dissatisfaction and inability of those in the current union to ever shape up (not looking promising over the past several years) cause enough dissatisfied Delta pilots to vote in a new representative body.
Jack- I read all the emails. They are mostly a lot of rhetoric, a few facts here and there, and then invalid conclusions backed up by faulty logic. A blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while, as do they- as there have been a couple times where I've raised my eyebrow and nodded my head in complete agreement. Unfortunately, those moments are quite few and far between.
My point is that the trading in ALPA for the DPA is trading on non-transparent organization for another just like it. Why bother?
Agree to disagree?
My point is that the trading in ALPA for the DPA is trading on non-transparent organization for another just like it. Why bother?
Agree to disagree?
Jack- I read all the emails. They are mostly a lot of rhetoric, a few facts here and there, and then invalid conclusions backed up by faulty logic. A blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while, as do they- as there have been a couple times where I've raised my eyebrow and nodded my head in complete agreement. Unfortunately, those moments are quite few and far between.
My point is that the trading in ALPA for the DPA is trading on non-transparent organization for another just like it. Why bother?
Agree to disagree?
My point is that the trading in ALPA for the DPA is trading on non-transparent organization for another just like it. Why bother?
Agree to disagree?
Even though I disagree with you on this subject I hope we can still be friends...
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I shook my head at that, too. Very disingenuous. The displacements will be the junior guys with no airplane to rebound to. Any advancements will be made by guys senior to them. The sound you hear will not be a "bounce"; it will be "splat".
You cool, Jack.. you cool.
And newK was spot on about the displacement "rebound." It's quite apparent that crew resources is just shooting from the hip and trying to quell the pitch forks and torches...
And newK was spot on about the displacement "rebound." It's quite apparent that crew resources is just shooting from the hip and trying to quell the pitch forks and torches...
Haha thanks for postin my youtube video. I musta forgot the code... is it still [youtube(withoutthisspace)]code after the equal sign here[/youtube]
Sure is. Select "quote" on your post and you can see the coding. That video had a dash in it which might have thrown you off.
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