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Old 06-04-2013, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Is there much route overlap at UCon? I'm just wondering how much shrinkage they might see when all is said and done. A lot of our shrinkage since the merger was not due to route overlap, but rather the Euro Economy going into the crapper, causing the cutbacks in ER flying.

I've not been paying much attention to what's going on behind the scenes at UCal but it seems CAL is hiring and Untied is recalling, is that just to replace retirements, or are they adding flying too, now that they are finally going to be getting the 787.

Are they parking any 'old' planes as those 787's arrive?
Not sure how all that will play out juxtaposed to their significant combined retirements. I'd be suprised if they didn't shrink some capacity, but if and whil they do that, they will still feel more advancement than we will for the first 5 years or so. At least once their furloughs are all back, they have SOC and real off the street hiring is in full swing.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:09 PM
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We all saw this coming.

Delta to drop Memphis as hub airport
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:12 PM
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FWIW, I was riding in the bus to NATCO back in '99, and a guy was there upgrading to DC-9 captain at 4 years, 11 months. And it wasn't at "Express pay" neither (close to a buck ninety an hour).

Numerically speaking, as of the last bid, I am almost farther away from any captain seat than I was in 1999. The closest I ever got was 4 to go.

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Old 06-04-2013, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Not sure how all that will play out juxtaposed to their significant combined retirements. I'd be suprised if they didn't shrink some capacity, but if and whil they do that, they will still feel more advancement than we will for the first 5 years or so. At least once their furloughs are all back, they have SOC and real off the street hiring is in full swing.

And their timing is better than ours was in 2008-10, now that the U.S. economy is finally starting to improve. (we hope!)
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Yup. Their retirements are front loaded. Ours are more spread out.
No.... UALs retirements are pretty even or the next 10 years. (400 per yr avg for about 4200). DAL s are more back loaded (aprox 850 in the next 5 years and about 3000 in the following 5years for about 4000 in 10yrs )
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
No.... UALs retirements are pretty even or the next 10 years. (400 per yr avg for about 4200). DAL s are more back loaded (aprox 850 in the next 5 years and about 3000 in the following 5years for about 4000 in 10yrs )
Basically move up 1000 numbers in five years then halfway up the list in the next five.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
No.... UALs retirements are pretty even or the next 10 years. (400 per yr avg for about 4200). DAL s are more back loaded (aprox 850 in the next 5 years and about 3000 in the following 5years for about 4000 in 10yrs )
Yup. My mistake. I have not looked at the numbers in a while until now.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:38 PM
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The 8 min crash scene of a movie I didn't see:

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Old 06-04-2013, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Basically move up 1000 numbers in five years then halfway up the list in the next five.

Absent; another merger, another terrorist event, another economic meltdown, another age extension, cabotage or another...everything else.

So don't hold your breath.

Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by redship
I seem to remember seeing two reports from crew planning for an AE, 22 D.2 (pilot requirements) and 22 D.3 (pilot staffing). This AE I only see 22 D.2. Does anyone know where to find the other or if it is supposed to be posted on the crew resources and scheduling page? Thanks.
Contractually required per 22.D.3, should be posted on DeltaNet

It was included as part of the AE announcement...

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