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Old 06-03-2013, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Lots of guys once could hold Delta Express captain in their second year with the company back in the late 90s. Does that mean that they have all been getting the shaft ever since?
Well, sorta. It is not a waste of intellectual energy if you believe that Delta pilots should perform Delta flying.

Scope is the most frequently negotiated section of our contract. The question is constantly relevant.

JMHO, we're going to get some of that back with the 717's. We have a little momentum that I hope we can build on.
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Well, sorta. Those jobs were pretty directly outsourced to Comair & Republic.

It is not a waste of intellectual energy if you believe that Delta pilots should perform Delta flying.

Scope is the most frequently negotiated section of our contract. The question is constantly relevant.
They were not. Those routes ended up being Song and then they were folded back into mainline. Mostly NE to Fla. Or they simply went away like EWR to Fla and BDL to Fla.
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Lots of guys once could hold Delta Express captain in their second year with the company back in the late 90s. Does that mean that they have all been getting the shaft ever since? Guess what? The entire industry has sucked for a decade. You know that as much as anyone.

Who cares what a guy could hold back in 1998, or 1988, or 1958? Who cares if "a captain could buy a Cadillac with a month's salary" back in 1971? What is going on today, and how can we best move forward are the only truly important questions. Anything else is a waste of intellectual energy.
I have to agree. Career expectations in this profession are worthless. I think we're on the uptick but its not, nor will it ever be, what it once was. At this point, we should just seek the best for our families and be very thankful that our merger was so successful.

For perspective, just chat with a UAL or US Air or Air Tran dude.
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Well, sorta. It is not a waste of intellectual energy if you believe that Delta pilots should perform Delta flying.

Scope is the most frequently negotiated section of our contract. The question is constantly relevant.

JMHO, we're going to get some of that back with the 717's. We have a little momentum that I hope we can build on.
Good point. When we have soon to be 325 jumbo RJs a vast majority of which are longer than the 732, don't blame the economy alone for a sucky decade when it comes to things like loss of flying.
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I think your going to find that with the long planned retirements on the 757 there will be displacements off that aircraft on most bids. The key is the gain of 77 more Captains slots. This puts us over 275 new Captains in the last 12 months. As long as they are adding Captains then hiring has to follow as the surplus of FO's moves to CA slots.
We only will have as many captains as we have airplanes since as you said we have ## of pilots per plane. What's the net number of captains in the last 12 months? How about last 12 months through the next 12 as we lose the 9 and more 757s?
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:42 PM
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Good point. When we have soon to be 325 jumbo RJs a vast majority of which are longer than the 732, don't blame the economy alone for a sucky decade when it comes to things like loss of flying.
Yes, you can blame your union for the new fangled, disguised B-scale that continues to hamper the junior population. Just goes to prove what getting the "right" guys in the "right" positions can do. Sad.
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:47 PM
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Am I the only one watching the Bruins-Penguins game right now????

4-1 Boston, in the first period!?! Wow.
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
I have to agree. Career expectations in this profession are worthless. I think we're on the uptick but its not, nor will it ever be, what it once was. At this point, we should just seek the best for our families and be very thankful that our merger was so successful.

For perspective, just chat with a UAL or US Air or Air Tran dude.
Well said Buzz, hopefully the left seat is not too far off for you. Any plans for a sequel to your book with Hillary in the running for 2016?
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by timbo
am i the only one watching the bruins-penguins game right now????

4-1 boston, in the first period!?! Wow.
+617

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Old 06-03-2013, 04:55 PM
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Well said Buzz, hopefully the left seat is not too far off for you. Any plans for a sequel to your book with Hillary in the running for 2016?
Left seat? Not so much. Not in LA anyway. I had my left seat thrills in the USAF. Maybe down the road. I'd love to get back there.

If Hillary runs, however, game on! I can't wait!! I have LOTS of unused material!
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