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06-02-2013, 09:11 AM
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06-02-2013, 09:35 AM
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Scoop,
Been in Bucket two, converted to short call and used anyway LOTS of times. I don't pay attention, or care about, the buckets because it certainly appears the schedulers are able to manipulate the system so easily anyway. They just let the trip sit until it is <12, >10 convert and assign it anyway. Double all nighters seem to particularly follow this formula because of the later DI times.
Of course, been converted out of SC plenty of times too.
With the nearly unlimited ability to deal and withdraw SC, the bucket system really does not matter as much as everyone says it does. If they want to give their buddy the great 4 day and send you on the double red eye, might as well pack your bags without your sunglasses.
Been in Bucket two, converted to short call and used anyway LOTS of times. I don't pay attention, or care about, the buckets because it certainly appears the schedulers are able to manipulate the system so easily anyway. They just let the trip sit until it is <12, >10 convert and assign it anyway. Double all nighters seem to particularly follow this formula because of the later DI times.
Of course, been converted out of SC plenty of times too.
With the nearly unlimited ability to deal and withdraw SC, the bucket system really does not matter as much as everyone says it does. If they want to give their buddy the great 4 day and send you on the double red eye, might as well pack your bags without your sunglasses.
Bar,
I think you are making my point - the issues with reserve are not because of an unfair bucket system. By the way, I agree with everything that you say above but still feel that this does not reward senior guys at the expense of junior guys.
Are the schedulers out to help the senior guys get a good deal or do they just care about putting a butt in the seat?
There is plenty about the reserve system that has been greatly improved - and plenty that can still be improved - especially, as you say say short call assignments but in regards to rewarding seniority I think it is a good compromise.
Remember - in the past it was straight seniority every trip assignment and every reserve had two short call windows every day. So it has gotten a lot better. Can we still improve it? Absolutely, but it is not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Not to mention that many who would be forced to fly reserve can now bid a line because you more senior people bidding reserve.
Scoop
06-02-2013, 09:54 AM
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Question for the reserve Gurus. I'm senior in the 6 day bucket and I have a yellow slip asking to go 1st out for the nice 3 day Europe trips and Aruba. If one comes up will I get it or will it to to a junior pilot who is in the 3 day bucket? Assuming no one white slips it. Yeah Yeah, I know, it will go via white slip 
06-02-2013, 10:19 AM
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Thanks CAAC! Thats what I figured. I didn't feel like wasting 6 hours of my Sunday reading the PWA in what would most certainly be a failed attempt in trying to figure it out on my own.
06-02-2013, 10:46 AM
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The new addition looks like the old terminal and the old terminal looks like the new addition. At least we got rid of terminal 3 so all in all its a huge upgrade. I wasn't sure who came up with the idea of glueing a fly to the wall of each urinal. Good target practice but couldn't knock it down.
06-02-2013, 10:50 AM
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If not flies, what are the birds going to eat?
06-02-2013, 10:53 AM
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Bar,
I think you are making my point - the issues with reserve are not because of an unfair bucket system. By the way, I agree with everything that you say above but still feel that this does not reward senior guys at the expense of junior guys.
Are the schedulers out to help the senior guys get a good deal or do they just care about putting a butt in the seat?
There is plenty about the reserve system that has been greatly improved - and plenty that can still be improved - especially, as you say say short call assignments but in regards to rewarding seniority I think it is a good compromise.
Remember - in the past it was straight seniority every trip assignment and every reserve had two short call windows every day. So it has gotten a lot better. Can we still improve it? Absolutely, but it is not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Not to mention that many who would be forced to fly reserve can now bid a line because you more senior people bidding reserve.
Scoop
I think you are making my point - the issues with reserve are not because of an unfair bucket system. By the way, I agree with everything that you say above but still feel that this does not reward senior guys at the expense of junior guys.
Are the schedulers out to help the senior guys get a good deal or do they just care about putting a butt in the seat?
There is plenty about the reserve system that has been greatly improved - and plenty that can still be improved - especially, as you say say short call assignments but in regards to rewarding seniority I think it is a good compromise.
Remember - in the past it was straight seniority every trip assignment and every reserve had two short call windows every day. So it has gotten a lot better. Can we still improve it? Absolutely, but it is not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Not to mention that many who would be forced to fly reserve can now bid a line because you more senior people bidding reserve.
Scoop
, but the way you keep a guy flying while a senior one doesn't comes from the fact it takes two weeks out of four to get to bucket 2. Then once there said pilot still owes SCs because they're independent of the buckets. So said pilot cab go on SC and be assigned for a four day and then repeat that the next week because by that point senior pilots have their SCs in.Ok, am I the first one to say this? The new JFK T-4 sucks!!! Moving walkways already broken. 25 minutes from security to B-38. Only access to the pilot lounge is via an elevator that doesn't always work. Oh, and there are flies in all the urinals and the new black chairs were designed for midgets! Also how about those idiotic swithback ramps from the gate house to the jetway entrance. Whoever was in charge of the overall design gets a huge FAIL from me.
06-02-2013, 11:02 AM
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The way, actually from your earlier post but using the phone requires effort and I don't want to start over , but the way you keep a guy flying while a senior one doesn't comes from the fact it takes two weeks out of four to get to bucket 2. Then once there said pilot still owes SCs because they're independent of the buckets. So said pilot cab go on SC and be assigned for a four day and then repeat that the next week because by that point senior pilots have their SCs in.
, but the way you keep a guy flying while a senior one doesn't comes from the fact it takes two weeks out of four to get to bucket 2. Then once there said pilot still owes SCs because they're independent of the buckets. So said pilot cab go on SC and be assigned for a four day and then repeat that the next week because by that point senior pilots have their SCs in.FTB,
Concur - the short call assignments needs to be improved. This is a tough nut to crack because no one knows in advance how many SCs will be needed on a particular day. Maybe a hybrid system where guys each bid for say 3 SCs a month and the others are added as needed.
Or perhaps linking SCs to buckets? This might work in large categories but is probably not workable in small categories.
FWIW - In my category LAX 73N quite often the high credit guys are not the junior pilots. In small categories there is a very random element about everything. I imagine in large categories the senior guys can work the system a lot more. Often when I am the senior guy on reserve I am also the only one in my days of availability group.
Maybe I am just not as sharp as the more junior guys who actually move days around to make this happen.
Scoop
06-02-2013, 11:19 AM
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I would personally love to have both back. Bringing back bow wave would however increase required manning so your going to have a fight from the company. You will also find some pilots will whine that it reduces their income which depending on how it structured could occur. A simple compromise might be to allow a pilot in a category with mostly long haul flying to exceed ALV15 for pickup however anything beyond ALV 15 becomes bow wave and reduces that pilots line value when bidding and pickup limit for the next month.
06-02-2013, 11:20 AM
Can't abide NAI
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It isn't that I'm apathetic, it is just that I don't care. I'm off today, but while my three year old screams about a fish is the back yard (who knows? a lot around here makes no sense) and her mother talks back to her in a foreign language (so we don't teach the kid to curse in English?) a short call wouldn't bother me a whole lot.
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