Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-01-2013, 10:54 AM
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Not much has changed here since 2008. Pay is only up 30 percent. Reserve pay is up another 8. MD88 pay bumped a little extra. Overtime pay is up to 2x from 1.5x and the qualifiers lowered to get it. Training recovery has been eliminated for FO's. Retirement pay up from 12 to 14 percent and in 7 months goes to 15. Lump sum stock bonus into each pilots retirement hired prior to 08. Mandatory block hours shift from DCI to the mainline starts in the fall. No furloughs even with a pilot surplus. Improved furlough protections.
Those are off the top of my head in 1 minute. Its a shame we have not performed like the other unions in the industry. Imagine how much more we could have!!!!
Those are off the top of my head in 1 minute. Its a shame we have not performed like the other unions in the industry. Imagine how much more we could have!!!!
06-01-2013, 10:54 AM
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Just went to "The Left Seat" 2 weeks ago. Good stuff, really enjoyed it. Talked to 767/757 fleet guys and they said that we are going down to 60 757's soon!!!!! I'm assuming he meant -200's and not including the -ER's from TWA. VERY dissapointed to hear that. To be replaced by an underpowered 737. Our dear 757's are twice the jet a 73 is!!!!!
I also heard there's a possibility of going up to 200 seats on the plain domestic variant to improve the economics against the 321s & 739s, which will be 180 seats.
06-01-2013, 10:59 AM
Can't abide NAI
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What? The 321 isn't even here and it already has bad economics? There is a roofie bar at an insane asylum where the Douglas engineers hang out. I'm afraid to go in there because they hate pilots and throw poop, but do we need them to fix the 321's? They will suggest a tail fuel tank and reducing the size of the elevator ... That's how they fix things.
06-01-2013, 11:03 AM
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What? The 321 isn't even here and it already has bad economics? There is a roofie bar at an insane asylum where the Douglas engineers hang out. I'm afraid to go in there because they hate pilots and throw poop, but do we need them to fix the 321's? They will suggest a tail fuel tank and reducing the size of the elevator ... That's how they fix things.
06-01-2013, 11:12 AM
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What? The 321 isn't even here and it already has bad economics? There is a roofie bar at an insane asylum where the Douglas engineers hang out. I'm afraid to go in there because they hate pilots and throw poop, but do we need them to fix the 321's? They will suggest a tail fuel tank and reducing the size of the elevator ... That's how they fix things.
06-01-2013, 11:13 AM
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What? The 321 isn't even here and it already has bad economics? There is a roofie bar at an insane asylum where the Douglas engineers hang out. I'm afraid to go in there because they hate pilots and throw poop, but do we need them to fix the 321's? They will suggest a tail fuel tank and reducing the size of the elevator ... That's how they fix things.
I was talking about increasing the capacity of the 757-200 to 200 seats, improving its economics against the 739/321, which has better economics.
06-01-2013, 11:15 AM
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06-01-2013, 11:24 AM
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06-01-2013, 11:28 AM
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06-01-2013, 11:33 AM
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Not much has changed here since 2008. Pay is only up 30 percent. Reserve pay is up another 8. MD88 pay bumped a little extra. Overtime pay is up to 2x from 1.5x and the qualifiers lowered to get it. Training recovery has been eliminated for FO's. Retirement pay up from 12 to 14 percent and in 7 months goes to 15. Lump sum stock bonus into each pilots retirement hired prior to 08. Mandatory block hours shift from DCI to the mainline starts in the fall. No furloughs even with a pilot surplus. Improved furlough protections.
Those are off the top of my head in 1 minute. Its a shame we have not performed like the other unions in the industry. Imagine how much more we could have!!!!
Those are off the top of my head in 1 minute. Its a shame we have not performed like the other unions in the industry. Imagine how much more we could have!!!!
Still not enough. Please do not compare yourself/ourself to "other" unions. We still "lag" and are paid peanuts for what we do and are asked to do.
Dont get me wrong, people are still starving in the world, and I am truly blessed to be employed by a great airline. But for what we have lost and what we have been through, I sincerely believe we are underpaid, overworked and being played by our management team.
I am not impressed with our new contract or our improvements since 2008. I know we could have done much better. Nothing personal just an observation from a 38%er.
Fraternally,
TEN
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