Originally Posted by The Cavalier

Has anyone here done a mortgage with Delta Community Credit Union (or Wings for that matter)?

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

ACL, I have two questions for you. But first, here's my premise: I propose the following letter be unanimously accepted by every elected member of the DALPA MEC and sent to Lee Moak:

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Dear Captain Moak,

This letter is to advise you of the unanimous opinion of the Delta MEC regarding your signing of the Pinnacle agreement that completely subverted the rightful role of the Delta MEC.

We are requesting a letter of apology from you on behalf of ALPA national to the pilots of Delta Air Lines and their elected representatives. This letter must also include a pledge to never again act on behalf of Delta pilots without the direct participation of the Delta MEC. We will be expecting this letter no later than 30 days from today.

Should this letter not be forthcoming within the timeframe stated above, the Delta MEC is unanimously resolved to no longer be affiliated with the Airline Pilot's Association. It is imperative for you to understand the importance the Delta MEC places on all parties within ALPA operating in strict adherence to the policies that make our union a truly bottom up organization. Your actions in the Pinnacle matter were in direct contravention of those policies in our opinion and can never be allowed again. DALPA either controls the interests of the pilots they represent, or they do not. We require a clear answer to that question.

Although your actions have produced great mistrust among many Delta pilots, we still believe there is a solution if all can be confident of this never happening again. We look forward to your letter inclusive of the items we must have in order to continue our relationship.

Regards...

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Now here are my 2 questions for you ACL:

First, would you sign off on a letter that had this as its basic premise?

Second, if Moak wrote back and said go pound sand, would you follow through in ending our affiliation with ALPA and creating a new independent union?

Carl

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

I love the letter except the nuclear line of leaving ALPA. Why is that necessary? Why not demanding a restructuring including the ousting of Moak? Most people that I know outside of his yes men here at DALPA cannot stand the guy after they meet him, including my friends that have been at national.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Just spitballin' but couldn't JB's move to increase competition on routes with major carriers be an attempt by their management to get one of said major carriers to purchase/merge with them?

Denny

Originally Posted by Going2Baja

If in So Cal I have a person that does no cost loans and will notify you when the rates drop and they can save you some more $$$. I've done 3 w/ her in the past year. Now @ 3.5% and there wasn't a cost to me at all (other than a sore hand after signing papers for hours.) Good luck!! PM me if you'd like contact info.

Baja.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

None of those groups saw the massive increases in pay we saw in the early 2000's. If you compare our contract wages to what other employees are paid at Delta relative to the industry today we are ahead of every group except perhaps the mechanics who would be about the same as we are. Our flight attendants as a example are paid substantially less then American and our far more productive. They are paid 20 percent less then SW's hourly rate and not far from them in productivity. Delta flight attendants were the most productive of the legacy airlines in 2011. In addition they took substantial cuts in many areas including freezing their retirement plan with no follow on retirement at all for almost 4 years. Today they get something like 6 percent into a DC type plan. All the other employees saw the same increases in health care and other costs they we took. A 300 dollar a month increase in health care premiums has a lot more impact on a employee taking home 1600 dollars a month then a pilot.
Overall Delta's non pilot employee costs are at best industry average. If you count in the fact Delta was able to outsource many of those jobs the costs are probably well below industry average. We are industry leading. If you tried to use a argument about pilot costs verses other employee costs at Delta before the NMB you would look very foolish.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

There is a guy a Delta buddy of.mine recommended last summer and.it worked out well. No closing costs, no appraisal, flat 4%, 30 yr, (goal was to drop the payments and then pay extra). I think I spent 8 min on the phone and I went with him. That was in ATL btw. I was happy.

I think the bank.had offered 4.4% and $3500 closing and $400 appraisal and so on.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Someone was asking about a quote that alluded to the PWA being cost neutral. One of the quotes is from the 2012 Q3 CEO Discussion and goes as follows:

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