Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-21-2013, 05:22 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: A big one that looks like a little one
Posts: 633
Fella,
Carl has far more credibility and goodwill built up here than you or I can ever hope to achieve.
It's best if you go back to mainlining your ALPA/company kool-aid (same flavor, I know) and enjoy your 7th short call and ALV +15 this summer. Oh, and your reworked summer bid periods (thanks, Scoop).
Maybe you should go back to insisting the company can't require us to disclose our medical records from our personal physicians. But wait! They can.
Carl has far more credibility and goodwill built up here than you or I can ever hope to achieve.
It's best if you go back to mainlining your ALPA/company kool-aid (same flavor, I know) and enjoy your 7th short call and ALV +15 this summer. Oh, and your reworked summer bid periods (thanks, Scoop).
Maybe you should go back to insisting the company can't require us to disclose our medical records from our personal physicians. But wait! They can.
You all continue to act like you were barraged with horrible, malicious things from this new PWA - is this the entitled pilots club?
And before you go on trying to discredit me because of what I said about medical records, again, you blow stuff out of context because you very likely went to a lousy public school and failed to grasp reading comprehension. You know - like placing words into context to extract the writer's meaning? The contract states that a pilot may be required to sign a release of medical records for limited information. Information that is limited to the specific sickness that you called in sick for, the days immediately proceeding and following the sick days, and then it only goes to specific people in the company. AND this, and ONLY this, after the Chief Pilot has elected to ask the pilot to state the nature of his illness and considered the explanation of the illness to require further/additional information. If you read the contract and apply it in the manner in which it would be applied in an operational context you'd find it to be the manner in which the company would fire pilots like you for "using their sick time because it's theirs to use at their discretion". (read - I accuse you of calling in sick when you're not sick).
What the company can't get to is the rest of stuff that you've likely kept hidden from the FAA - which is what you're really worried and paranoid about.
Get over yourself - and +2 and +3 - if you have so little to add, your (your spelled correctly in this context) credibility is about as pathetic as it gets. I don't crave the acceptance of any of you, or want to be "right" like Carl thinks he is. More correctly, I own stock in AstraZeneca (the maker of Prilosec) and the stress this must cause you will improve the earnings of the company.
05-21-2013, 05:39 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
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There's no way in my category that I'd get anywhere close to ALV with the pathetic productivity of our trips. I wouldn't honestly mind the extra money though since I'm in base on a trip, or sitting short call, 18 days a month. I'd rather make ALV+15 - if for no other reason than to make more than you - because I'm fairly certain you aren't getting ALV+15.
You all continue to act like you were barraged with horrible, malicious things from this new PWA - is this the entitled pilots club?
And before you go on trying to discredit me because of what I said about medical records, again, you blow stuff out of context because you very likely went to a lousy public school and failed to grasp reading comprehension. You know - like placing words into context to extract the writer's meaning? The contract states that a pilot may be required to sign a release of medical records for limited information. Information that is limited to the specific sickness that you called in sick for, the days immediately proceeding and following the sick days, and then it only goes to specific people in the company. AND this, and ONLY this, after the Chief Pilot has elected to ask the pilot to state the nature of his illness and considered the explanation of the illness to require further/additional information. If you read the contract and apply it in the manner in which it would be applied in an operational context you'd find it to be the manner in which the company would fire pilots like you for "using their sick time because it's theirs to use at their discretion". (read - I accuse you of calling in sick when you're not sick).
What the company can't get to is the rest of stuff that you've likely kept hidden from the FAA - which is what you're really worried and paranoid about.
Get over yourself - and +2 and +3 - if you have so little to add, your (your spelled correctly in this context) credibility is about as pathetic as it gets. I don't crave the acceptance of any of you, or want to be "right" like Carl thinks he is. More correctly, I own stock in AstraZeneca (the maker of Prilosec) and the stress this must cause you will improve the earnings of the company.
You all continue to act like you were barraged with horrible, malicious things from this new PWA - is this the entitled pilots club?
And before you go on trying to discredit me because of what I said about medical records, again, you blow stuff out of context because you very likely went to a lousy public school and failed to grasp reading comprehension. You know - like placing words into context to extract the writer's meaning? The contract states that a pilot may be required to sign a release of medical records for limited information. Information that is limited to the specific sickness that you called in sick for, the days immediately proceeding and following the sick days, and then it only goes to specific people in the company. AND this, and ONLY this, after the Chief Pilot has elected to ask the pilot to state the nature of his illness and considered the explanation of the illness to require further/additional information. If you read the contract and apply it in the manner in which it would be applied in an operational context you'd find it to be the manner in which the company would fire pilots like you for "using their sick time because it's theirs to use at their discretion". (read - I accuse you of calling in sick when you're not sick).
What the company can't get to is the rest of stuff that you've likely kept hidden from the FAA - which is what you're really worried and paranoid about.
Get over yourself - and +2 and +3 - if you have so little to add, your (your spelled correctly in this context) credibility is about as pathetic as it gets. I don't crave the acceptance of any of you, or want to be "right" like Carl thinks he is. More correctly, I own stock in AstraZeneca (the maker of Prilosec) and the stress this must cause you will improve the earnings of the company.
05-21-2013, 06:20 PM
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
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Posts: 23,286
Again, just to point out, flying with a 88A RES that is at 82 hours as of tomorrow, which is 5/22, with 3 more days of reserve left if for some reason an 88 or a 90 decides to act up in a way that even we accommodating 88 pilots find reprehensible.
Now, let me pull up his schedule here... [sound of typing]... icrew just logged out... [sound of more typing]... mandatory bulletins... where's the ok... okay, hey let me check my schedule real quick... [sound of lots of typing]... check open time.... [sound of typing]... let me see if there is any better trips, ah, missed the PCS window... [sound similar to a toilet flushing]... okay, pull his schedule up... 81.52 projected and credit, schedule now says FULL.
Geeish, what is this: OK FOR 30N7 BUFFER 22MAY DUE FLIES THRU BASE
Now, let me pull up his schedule here... [sound of typing]... icrew just logged out... [sound of more typing]... mandatory bulletins... where's the ok... okay, hey let me check my schedule real quick... [sound of lots of typing]... check open time.... [sound of typing]... let me see if there is any better trips, ah, missed the PCS window... [sound similar to a toilet flushing]... okay, pull his schedule up... 81.52 projected and credit, schedule now says FULL.
Geeish, what is this: OK FOR 30N7 BUFFER 22MAY DUE FLIES THRU BASE
05-21-2013, 06:21 PM
veut gagner à la loterie
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05-21-2013, 06:58 PM
The Brown Dot +1
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There's no way in my category that I'd get anywhere close to ALV with the pathetic productivity of our trips. I wouldn't honestly mind the extra money though since I'm in base on a trip, or sitting short call, 18 days a month. I'd rather make ALV+15 - if for no other reason than to make more than you - because I'm fairly certain you aren't getting ALV+15.
You all continue to act like you were barraged with horrible, malicious things from this new PWA - is this the entitled pilots club?
And before you go on trying to discredit me because of what I said about medical records, again, you blow stuff out of context because you very likely went to a lousy public school and failed to grasp reading comprehension. You know - like placing words into context to extract the writer's meaning? The contract states that a pilot may be required to sign a release of medical records for limited information. Information that is limited to the specific sickness that you called in sick for, the days immediately proceeding and following the sick days, and then it only goes to specific people in the company. AND this, and ONLY this, after the Chief Pilot has elected to ask the pilot to state the nature of his illness and considered the explanation of the illness to require further/additional information. If you read the contract and apply it in the manner in which it would be applied in an operational context you'd find it to be the manner in which the company would fire pilots like you for "using their sick time because it's theirs to use at their discretion". (read - I accuse you of calling in sick when you're not sick).
What the company can't get to is the rest of stuff that you've likely kept hidden from the FAA - which is what you're really worried and paranoid about.
Get over yourself - and +2 and +3 - if you have so little to add, your (your spelled correctly in this context) credibility is about as pathetic as it gets. I don't crave the acceptance of any of you, or want to be "right" like Carl thinks he is. More correctly, I own stock in AstraZeneca (the maker of Prilosec) and the stress this must cause you will improve the earnings of the company.
You all continue to act like you were barraged with horrible, malicious things from this new PWA - is this the entitled pilots club?
And before you go on trying to discredit me because of what I said about medical records, again, you blow stuff out of context because you very likely went to a lousy public school and failed to grasp reading comprehension. You know - like placing words into context to extract the writer's meaning? The contract states that a pilot may be required to sign a release of medical records for limited information. Information that is limited to the specific sickness that you called in sick for, the days immediately proceeding and following the sick days, and then it only goes to specific people in the company. AND this, and ONLY this, after the Chief Pilot has elected to ask the pilot to state the nature of his illness and considered the explanation of the illness to require further/additional information. If you read the contract and apply it in the manner in which it would be applied in an operational context you'd find it to be the manner in which the company would fire pilots like you for "using their sick time because it's theirs to use at their discretion". (read - I accuse you of calling in sick when you're not sick).
What the company can't get to is the rest of stuff that you've likely kept hidden from the FAA - which is what you're really worried and paranoid about.
Get over yourself - and +2 and +3 - if you have so little to add, your (your spelled correctly in this context) credibility is about as pathetic as it gets. I don't crave the acceptance of any of you, or want to be "right" like Carl thinks he is. More correctly, I own stock in AstraZeneca (the maker of Prilosec) and the stress this must cause you will improve the earnings of the company.
Well, I guess we know who the president of the lower the bar club is.
05-21-2013, 07:10 PM
Da Hudge
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05-21-2013, 07:20 PM
Da Hudge
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I'm really glad ATL is working on minimizing the length of the ATIS.
I don't know why it keeps showing up sideways like that...
I don't know why it keeps showing up sideways like that...
05-21-2013, 07:27 PM
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 424
Maybe, but I think Eagle has a lot more to be worried about by this than we do. The only firm(ish) orders are for I think 40 E175's, the rest are options, and they are openly admitting the options are for future ACMI contracts. DL I think still has some room in the existing numbers to allow some growth in that sector, but their big score will be inking an expanded UAL contract and especially going big into the final feeder frontier before they go IndyAir and implode down the road...large RJ's for AA.
05-21-2013, 07:29 PM
Works Every Weekend
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 737 ATL
Posts: 3,506
The guys who think we get plenty of time off have the votes.
The guys who think $150,000 is plenty of money have the votes.
Probably their Dad never made that much. They are able to live comfortably and conservatively in a nice middle class neighborhood where they already make more money than most of the people living around them and they don't see why we should rock the boat excessively or take undue risks in pursuit of more.
Its them we need to reach.
We need to convince those guys that we are not just blue collar labor. We have skills and assume responsibilities comparable with top surgeons or lawyers or engineers and we deserve comparable compensation.
We need to figure out a way to enlighten those guys who are satisfied with our current pay rates and work rules. If we don't, then ALPA will continue to be successful in managing our expectations and convincing us that we aren't worth $300,000 and the company couldn't afford it even if we were.
The guys who think $150,000 is plenty of money have the votes.
Probably their Dad never made that much. They are able to live comfortably and conservatively in a nice middle class neighborhood where they already make more money than most of the people living around them and they don't see why we should rock the boat excessively or take undue risks in pursuit of more.
Its them we need to reach.
We need to convince those guys that we are not just blue collar labor. We have skills and assume responsibilities comparable with top surgeons or lawyers or engineers and we deserve comparable compensation.
We need to figure out a way to enlighten those guys who are satisfied with our current pay rates and work rules. If we don't, then ALPA will continue to be successful in managing our expectations and convincing us that we aren't worth $300,000 and the company couldn't afford it even if we were.
05-21-2013, 07:33 PM
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: 2000 light years from home
Posts: 49
60 of the 100 "firm" orders are contingent on reaching acceptable terms with a major airline code share partner.
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