Originally Posted by Ferd149

Hummmmm that's about the last time I was on

If it's more that 5 pages back.........let me go find it. But did I tell ya I've been drinking?

Originally Posted by Ferd149

Carl,

What's the answer then?

DPA is dead in a back room somewhere of a self inflected gunshot wound.

Teamsters? YGBSM

Seriously, you know I'm not a big ALPA defender. I just don't see an alternative. Where do you seeing us go from here?

Ferd

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

IMO, the "answer" is the line pilots getting back to basics. Specifically, that means everything good in life requires risk taking and the abandonment of fear. Remember wanting to date that beautiful girl that caught your eye in high school? You put fear of failure aside and asked her (unless your newK then she asked him). Remember all the risk you took in flight school? You abandoned fear, accepted the risk as part of the deal, and ended up flying fighters. Then ended up at a major airline. I could go on, but you get my point. What happened to our ability to take calculated risks? Is it a byproduct of achieving the top level in aviation? We're so afraid of losing the top level that we're manipulated by anyone who uses our life success as a weapon against us?

The biggest issue we face is unique to Delta and that is our fear campaigns are waged by our own union...not management. Management would be glad TO do it, they just don't need to. Until we line pilots can make votes based on what can be achieved as opposed to what might go wrong, our national union will continue achieving their goals...to our everlasting detriment. This will be true with a DPA or any representative entity.

None of us would be where we are without the fearless and selfless actions of those airline pilots that came before us. IMO, we're doing a p!ss poor job of continuing that legacy for the young people who will come after us. I'm very disheartened by that. We can change that. Every one of us has the proven ability to take a calculated risk. We just need to get back to that basic ideal.

Carl

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

IMO, the "answer" is the line pilots getting back to basics. Specifically, that means everything good in life requires risk taking and the abandonment of fear. Remember wanting to date that beautiful girl that caught your eye in high school? You put fear of failure aside and asked her (unless your newK then she asked him. Remember all the risk you took in flight school? You abandoned fear, accepted the risk as part of the deal, and ended up flying fighters. Then ended up at a major airline. I could go on, but you get my point. What happened to our ability to take calculated risks? Is it a byproduct of achieving the top level in aviation? We're so afraid of losing the top level that we're manipulated by anyone who uses our life success as a weapon against us?

The biggest issue we face is unique to Delta and that is our fear campaigns are waged by our own union...not management. Management would be glad TO do it, they just don't need to. Until we line pilots can make votes based on what can be achieved as opposed to what might go wrong, our national union will continue achieving their goals...to our everlasting detriment. This will be true with a DPA or any representative entity.

None of us would be where we are without the fearless and selfless actions of those airline pilots that came before us. IMO, we're doing a p!ss poor job of continuing that legacy for the young people who will come after us. I'm very disheartened by that. We can change that. Every one of us has the proven ability to take a calculated risk. We just need to get back to that basic ideal.

Carl

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Relevant to the flying some of us do. Amazingly nasty disease that effects it's means of transport and modifies it!

Malaria Makes Mosquitoes Meaner

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Are you just trying to make sure you hold the A330 on the next AE?

Originally Posted by Ferd149

Bar would never be able to fly an Airbus. Too simple and straight forward. He would have trouble finding something for 2/3 of his brain to do while in cruise. You have to hide the crash ax from guys like Bar.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

I used to think that you and your DALPA handlers were just careless in your use of the English language. Of course I now know that it's an organized effort to misinform, rather than inform. This is just the latest example.

Here is what you posted:



We were talking about the TA which is now our contract. There is of course NO pay raise at the amendable date of our TA/contract as you stated above. Now if you meant to say 12.8% from the amendable date of our old contract, that's still disingenuous...but not the flat out BS you tried with your "careless language".



Completely amazing that you must continue to flat out lie this way. You are now conflating this cost neutral contract with the other years between the 2008 merger and this contract. Incredible...even for you.

Also, my W2 is up 50,000 since the merger in 2008. Not 120,000...50,000. Equating to about $8,400 per year or abot a 4 to 5% increase. COLA increases. You continue to embarrass yourself by just making up numbers.



More incredible disinformation. My rate now is 255. My rate in 2008 was ~180. That's a $75 dollar increase...not $120. You missed it by $45 per hour. Unless you're saying that my DC in JAN is going to be 20% and that I'll actually get it. Because I'm sure you know that senior fNWA pilots don't get their DC's as they are given to our junior guys to help bolster their retirements.

You and your handlers must actually sit around and say: "OK, how can we fool them today? How can we talk a lot and completely misinform."

Carl