cesnacaptn

That info is bunk. I just gave you the real numbers. Care to share the link to these press releases?

You're using the 6 year captain as an example of how relative position could go, right? 6 years is bubble for FO between line holder and reserve in the lower 48 too. ANC goes quite a bit jr.

Jr. captain is 12 years in ANC and 13 years for lower 48.

gloopy

They could have that yesterday if they wanted to. But they would need as high a safety and reliability record which for airlines would require mind boggling redundancy all over the place. Way cheaper to hire us for a long time.

Bucking Bar

Have no doubt that you are correct on facts involving your seniority list. The Seattle Times posted that in 2009 your list was 1052 pilots, but in other articles they round off to "1,500." My other source, as luck would have it, is being edited by Alaska Airlines as we post. Try to catch it before the redirect. I'll try to get the Google cached link:

Employees & Collective Bargaining - Alaska Airlines

forgot to bid

Would you have flown ALV+15 before as long as you were 2:01 below ALV?

Why does reserve have to be a punitive thing? Why should we want it to be punitive?

BTW, why are senior pilots bidding reserve? ALV-2 hours of pay and a month off, right? Well if they did that for a year, goofed one month and accidentally got a 14 days off 82 hour line, I bet they'd complain.

Very true.

I'm going to look at a bid packet here and run the numbers.

I'll use ATL88B as an example and I'm going to use the previously mentioned 80 hour ALV and 78 hour RES GUAR.

I'm looking at one particular RES line that is ON 02-03JUN, 07-11JUN, 14-18JUN, 21-25JUN, 27-30JUN.

On 02JUN this poor pilot gets 5804, 11.59 block hours.
07JUN, 6790, 22.36 block hours.
14JUN, 6091, 22.42 block hours.
21JUN, 6377, 22.38 block hours.

Now sitting at 77.29. They're still good for 27-30JUN and ALV+15 or [80]+15 or 95 hours. They're not good for any 4 days left on the 27th but they're good for 37 of the 38 3-days that start either on the 27th or 28th.

Now sure the bucket stuff should help, right? But this particular fellow is weekends ON reserve. He'll fly every day and probably never sit a SC, which if there isn't a 3 day on the 27th then he'll be #1 for SC since everyone else by that point would've had probably sat 3. Which is something that needs fixing, when you fly 77 hours and have 0 SCs you shouldn't be put on SC ahead of someone who has 3 and flown 0. But that's imho.

gloopy

Pretty much. Sort of. There's still been a lot of other factors considered though. At a minimum that relative wouldn't even start until the equavalent widebody positions were stapled to the top. Then there's pay and retirement expectations to consider. No way is top 2% going to slide over to be top 2% with a narrowbody only airline.

Ferd149

Well.......where have we seen this before? Where in OUR history have we seen an international widebody airline merge with a smaller narrowbody domestic airline? Oh, wait.......young southies hate northie history, even when it's on point.

You boys may want to pick Carl's brain about how that red/green thing worked. The good news is I doubt we'll get an alcoholic arbitrator who couldn't write......or will we

PS........yes I've been drinking

Carl Spackler

I used to think that you and your DALPA handlers were just careless in your use of the English language. Of course I now know that it's an organized effort to misinform, rather than inform. This is just the latest example.

Here is what you posted:

We were talking about the TA which is now our contract. There is of course NO pay raise at the amendable date of our TA/contract as you stated above. Now if you meant to say 12.8% from the amendable date of our old contract, that's still disingenuous...but not the flat out BS you tried with your "careless language".

Completely amazing that you must continue to flat out lie this way. You are now conflating this cost neutral contract with the other years between the 2008 merger and this contract. Incredible...even for you.

Also, my W2 is up 50,000 since the merger in 2008. Not 120,000...50,000. Equating to about $8,400 per year or abot a 4 to 5% increase. COLA increases. You continue to embarrass yourself by just making up numbers.

More incredible disinformation. My rate now is 255. My rate in 2008 was ~180. That's a $75 dollar increase...not $120. You missed it by $45 per hour. Unless you're saying that my DC in JAN is going to be 20% and that I'll actually get it. Because I'm sure you know that senior fNWA pilots don't get their DC's as they are given to our junior guys to help bolster their retirements.

You and your handlers must actually sit around and say: "OK, how can we fool them today? How can we talk a lot and completely misinform."

Carl

Carl Spackler

Hey man, did you get my response to your post of last month?

Carl

Ferd149

Hummmmm that's about the last time I was on

If it's more that 5 pages back.........let me go find it. But did I tell ya I've been drinking?

Carl Spackler

I know what we should do, let's get tsquare's longevity based pay system in place right away. Then a ratio with the Alaska guys would start at the very top of the Delta seniority list.

Winning!

Carl