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The MOU7 is really just allowing the APA to be conducted under the PWA methodology, yet limiting displacements and awards to premerger specific pilots and a/c. Now, couldn't there be a few DALS pilots that could be inadvertently bumped out of their category if it is a system wide AE to handle the ANC base closure. Those pilots would then be able to bump into any base and any position, correct?

alfaromeo

If the AE is done after SOC, then yes. Since they are closing ANC in December, I doubt they would wait that long, but it could happen.

NuGuy

Heyas,

Of course, this wouldn't have been necessary if the changes had been "communicated effectively". Since they hadn't (and the letter from flight ops management said exactly that), senior management had to get involved and delay a major bid award while the union got it's crap all in one sack.

In 11 years, and through all manner of problems and industry events, NWA never ONCE had to delay an APA...not even when age 65 happened 10 days before an award.

Get the borg involved and you see what happens.

Nu

Tinpusher007

[QUOTE=Scoop;665792]Scoop - when the fact that what JC Lawson did with the RJDC was done before many current comair pilots were on the list, the stated feeling of many DL pilots was "too bad, you should have done your homework" with regard to them ever being hired at DL. Many have said on these forums, that while other comair pilots may not have agreed with Lawson, they did nothing to stop him; not even voicing their opposition against him and that by doing so, they enabled his rogue behavior. I can't say with certainty that all DL pilots share this loathing of comair pilots, but it sure is difficult to find many on these forums who don't. Im sure this particular thread is loaded with posts about this very situation, but Im too lazy to look. Im sure if you simply posed the question again to your fellow DL brethren, you'd get plenty of responses to validate what Im saying.

CVG767A

The only way this uproar makes sense to me is to look at this merger as one between Delta and two other airlines, which I guess it is, in a sense. This required a shift in mindset for me--

I'm all for dumping this MOU; I'm not sure that I would bid the A330 in the spring, but it would be nice to have the option.

Bucking Bar

Tin - you are wrong. The RJDC wasn't involved in Lawson's missive. Dan Ford disagreed with Lawson and thought it was bad that both the Delta MEC and the Comair MEC Chairman were playing politics with Delta's furloughed pilots.

The Delta MEC Chair, who represents Delta pilots to Delta Inc., could have negotiated with Delta Inc. to hire Delta pilots at Delta's wholly owned subsidiary. Or could have simply asked Delta management to remove the offending policy at Comair. Better yet, the Delta MEC could have negotiated effective scope that forced flying to be performed at mainline, avoiding furloughs all together. When Delta is furloughing and DCI is hiring three times as many pilots, that fact alone is evidence of a scope failure no matter what the "supply side scope" guys write on this board.

As for a silly grudge against Comair pilots, it does not matter. There were three Comair pilots in my class. That's more than Air Force, or Navy. Once a pilot gets hired a Delta, they are Delta pilots.

Loathing of Comair pilots is misplaced anger. IMHO that anger is better focused on trying to push for good scope that avoids Delta pilot furloughs in the first place.

Tinpusher007

So are you saying that its not the fault of Lawson or other comair pilots that DL pilots weren't given pref hiring while keeping their sen #'s on furlough...and that the DL MEC should have taken steps to look out for it's pilot's interests?

Bucking Bar

Tin - you wrotewhich flat is not true. Re-read my reply.

There is no doubt Lawson screwed up. But who has the duty to protect Delta pilots? Lawson? Hardly!

Look what had to happen before Lawson even had the opportunity to stick his foot in his mouth:
(1) ALPA allowed alter ego operations on the Delta property providing a source of replacement pilots,
(2) The Delta pilots and their Representatives failed to negotiate effective scope which would prohibit the replacement of Delta pilots with alter ego pilots,
(3) The Delta MEC failed to negotiate with Delta Inc a change in the subsidiaries policies regarding the hiring of furloughed pilots.

If you're smart, you hold the guy responsible that WAS responsible. Lawson had no responsibility for the well being of Delta pilots. Frankly, I don't care what he says, he does not represent me.

Tinpusher007

I will admitt i have very few facts on the RJDC...I was going off of what I've read here.

Bucking Bar

Tin:

Lawson and the RJDC were both used as straw men in D-ALPA politics and since both originated in Comair some web board bigots paint with a broad brush. In reality Lawson and the RJDC were nearly opposite ends of the spectrum. Lawson was an ALPA EVP, while the RJDC was suing ALPA alleging that Lawson, among others, breached their Representational duty.

Lawson more represented ALPA's current direction. The RJDC came at issues from a very grass roots representational perspective which resonates with ALPA's very early history. They were on opposite sides of the battle.

Not that I'm above bigotry myself. But, it makes more sense to focus attention on those who have the responsibility and the power to make a positive change for our profession.