Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-18-2009, 08:11 AM
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No dog in this fight but some quick thoughts. To the senior regional guys, being junior on a decent list like DAL's is far better than being senior at ASA, Xjet, or wherever. Probably does not hold true at CAL, US, UA but at a decent place to work like DAL, no comparo. I'm junior at Blue on the slave jet and while I'm no lover of mgmt here my QOL is better in numerous ways; hotel quality, CPO quality, Scheduling, you name it... and those things are mostly better at DAL than they are here.
As to the E-jet series, it's almost a mainline jet but you guys absolutely want it on the property. It won't carry much belly cargo but the 190 will do 100 pax on a max-range flight with 2 alternates. Pax love it when it works (dispatch reliability has been suffering lately here at Blue). I enjoy flying it when it works but personally can't wait to go fly Fifi (much larger, quieter cockpit and I'd like to kill whoever designed Embraer's seats). The 190 is a better performer than the 170/175 due to the larger wing and would fill some nice niches for DL. Won't replace the 9 due to cargo issues, but can fly a lot farther in some markets where that's not such an issue. Regardless, good luck to both sides. More aircraft and jobs on the mainline property is a GOOD thing.
As to the E-jet series, it's almost a mainline jet but you guys absolutely want it on the property. It won't carry much belly cargo but the 190 will do 100 pax on a max-range flight with 2 alternates. Pax love it when it works (dispatch reliability has been suffering lately here at Blue). I enjoy flying it when it works but personally can't wait to go fly Fifi (much larger, quieter cockpit and I'd like to kill whoever designed Embraer's seats). The 190 is a better performer than the 170/175 due to the larger wing and would fill some nice niches for DL. Won't replace the 9 due to cargo issues, but can fly a lot farther in some markets where that's not such an issue. Regardless, good luck to both sides. More aircraft and jobs on the mainline property is a GOOD thing.
08-18-2009, 08:19 AM
Underboob King
Joined APC: May 2005
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Guys,
Banning anyone is not the right answer. Let’s hear everyone’s ideas and decide for ourselves what is right and what is wrong. It would get real boring on here if we all just sit around, agree with each other, and tell each other how great our airline is.
Let’s hear contrary opinions, so we can think about them and prepare arguments against them. Debating is a skill like any other that takes practice. I have seen a lot of guys call for people to get banned and threads to get ended because they don’t like or agree with what is being said. Now if posters violate the rules set forth by the moderators I would expect the moderators to take action - but I don't believe a difference of opinion is against the rules.
We can all learn a lot more from spirited debate then congratulatory self agreement.
Scoop
08-18-2009, 08:45 AM
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Tomcat, you're welcome. I've got good friends at F-DAL, F-NWA, and some who almost certainly be regional "lifers". Stand-up high-quality guys and gals in all regards, and I certainly wish the best possible outcome for all you guys. My previous regional was the "borg" operating on behalf of pretty much everyone and I believe of the legacies DL has overall the best prospects for success in terms of people, product, and management.
I have no regrets about leaving the top 20 percent of my regional to ride close to the bottom at JB, and I think a LOT of things need work here. I don't believe I would feel the same had I left for the bottom of CAL, US, or UA's lists, but my friends who are junior at F-DAL and F-NWA are happy (albeit a little nervous at times).
KC-10 Fatboy raised an interesting point about Mil vs. Civilian. Some background thoughts on that; I am a civvie guy that dreamed of yanking and banking around the boat in F-14s, but glasses appeared at age 9 so no can do. In the early nineties the AF also was saying no-go for pilot slots for heavies or transports as well, so I opted to go the civvy route. I have a VERY good friend from your KC-10 community who has had some amazing life experiences flying around the globe in the -10, and I fully admit to an insane amount of Jealousy
I believe this person had way more fun being in Australia and Germany on trips, or sailing in Regattas on Diego Garcia, than I did slogging bags to a clapped-out Baron in the rain. And they never once made 16K in a year as a professional pilot. On the other hand the personal sacrifices made were imense (9 deployments in 9 years AD, 12-hour work days for weeks at a time while home, possibility of being shot at, etc) and I sincerely admire and appreciate the service of all our veterans.
The problem is this person, despite our great friendship, is now in the Civ community and almost unfailingly looks down on civvie pilots. Our route was too easy, airliners are too easy to fly, former regional pilots are too unprofessional, etc. In this particular case it's like the airline career was dropped in their lap as an afterthought and there is little respect for those of us whom have made the majors our career goals. Obviously this skews my view of Mil pilots a little even though the majority I've come in contact with either don't hold these views or at least don't share them in public! Just some thoughts....
I have no regrets about leaving the top 20 percent of my regional to ride close to the bottom at JB, and I think a LOT of things need work here. I don't believe I would feel the same had I left for the bottom of CAL, US, or UA's lists, but my friends who are junior at F-DAL and F-NWA are happy (albeit a little nervous at times).
KC-10 Fatboy raised an interesting point about Mil vs. Civilian. Some background thoughts on that; I am a civvie guy that dreamed of yanking and banking around the boat in F-14s, but glasses appeared at age 9 so no can do. In the early nineties the AF also was saying no-go for pilot slots for heavies or transports as well, so I opted to go the civvy route. I have a VERY good friend from your KC-10 community who has had some amazing life experiences flying around the globe in the -10, and I fully admit to an insane amount of Jealousy
I believe this person had way more fun being in Australia and Germany on trips, or sailing in Regattas on Diego Garcia, than I did slogging bags to a clapped-out Baron in the rain. And they never once made 16K in a year as a professional pilot. On the other hand the personal sacrifices made were imense (9 deployments in 9 years AD, 12-hour work days for weeks at a time while home, possibility of being shot at, etc) and I sincerely admire and appreciate the service of all our veterans.The problem is this person, despite our great friendship, is now in the Civ community and almost unfailingly looks down on civvie pilots. Our route was too easy, airliners are too easy to fly, former regional pilots are too unprofessional, etc. In this particular case it's like the airline career was dropped in their lap as an afterthought and there is little respect for those of us whom have made the majors our career goals. Obviously this skews my view of Mil pilots a little even though the majority I've come in contact with either don't hold these views or at least don't share them in public! Just some thoughts....
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08-18-2009, 08:48 AM
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08-18-2009, 08:52 AM
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The problem is this person, despite our great friendship, is now in the Civ community and almost unfailingly looks down on civvie pilots. Our route was too easy, airliners are too easy to fly, former regional pilots are too unprofessional, etc. In this particular case it's like the airline career was dropped in their lap as an afterthought and there is little respect for those of us whom have made the majors our career goals. Obviously this skews my view of Mil pilots a little even though the majority I've come in contact with either don't hold these views or at least don't share them in public! Just some thoughts....
The only thing pilots should be concerned with is what management is doing to us and if they really are going to make the red dress in a size 28
08-18-2009, 09:22 AM
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I had the great fortune to experience both the military and civilian side, except the regionals.... In fact, I did it in reverse order. Nobody was hiring when I left the Navy, so I did CFI, CFII, MEI, checked people out in new and used aircraft they had just bought from our Piper sales dept, part 135 piston engine charter, corporate at two operations, then Delta. I have to say that other than the pay, I have been have lucky to have such a diverse career. I've flown over 50 different aircraft. I have a great appreciation of the the sacrifices and dangers that military guys have gone through, but I also got to see civilian guys, eating a lot of crap, flying pieces of junk and working long hours for guys that were nut-cases.
Let's face it, most of us have sacrificed much to be here. Like many of you, I have loved flying and aircraft since I can remember. A little respect for each other goes a long way. At the end of the day, we're pretty much all the same, just have different perspectives and stories to tell.
TC
Let's face it, most of us have sacrificed much to be here. Like many of you, I have loved flying and aircraft since I can remember. A little respect for each other goes a long way. At the end of the day, we're pretty much all the same, just have different perspectives and stories to tell.
TC
08-18-2009, 10:00 AM
New Hire
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AE results are posted....check it out!
08-18-2009, 10:10 AM
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No dog in this fight but some quick thoughts. To the senior regional guys, being junior on a decent list like DAL's is far better than being senior at ASA, Xjet, or wherever. Probably does not hold true at CAL, US, UA but at a decent place to work like DAL, no comparo. I'm junior at Blue on the slave jet and while I'm no lover of mgmt here my QOL is better in numerous ways; hotel quality, CPO quality, Scheduling, you name it... and those things are mostly better at DAL than they are here.
As to the E-jet series, it's almost a mainline jet but you guys absolutely want it on the property. It won't carry much belly cargo but the 190 will do 100 pax on a max-range flight with 2 alternates. Pax love it when it works (dispatch reliability has been suffering lately here at Blue). I enjoy flying it when it works but personally can't wait to go fly Fifi (much larger, quieter cockpit and I'd like to kill whoever designed Embraer's seats). The 190 is a better performer than the 170/175 due to the larger wing and would fill some nice niches for DL. Won't replace the 9 due to cargo issues, but can fly a lot farther in some markets where that's not such an issue. Regardless, good luck to both sides. More aircraft and jobs on the mainline property is a GOOD thing.
As to the E-jet series, it's almost a mainline jet but you guys absolutely want it on the property. It won't carry much belly cargo but the 190 will do 100 pax on a max-range flight with 2 alternates. Pax love it when it works (dispatch reliability has been suffering lately here at Blue). I enjoy flying it when it works but personally can't wait to go fly Fifi (much larger, quieter cockpit and I'd like to kill whoever designed Embraer's seats). The 190 is a better performer than the 170/175 due to the larger wing and would fill some nice niches for DL. Won't replace the 9 due to cargo issues, but can fly a lot farther in some markets where that's not such an issue. Regardless, good luck to both sides. More aircraft and jobs on the mainline property is a GOOD thing.
Finally, what is the deal with your pay? I saw new pay rates posted a while ago that were really competitive rates for the 190. I heard that they were delayed or taken away by management, but that may be a silly rumor. I assume no one knows more about it than you so could you tell us what is going on there? Thanks.
08-18-2009, 10:15 AM
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
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Go figure....still hanging on to the 767 domestic. I'm probably leaving scraping marks like a cat getting drug to the door on the bottom side of our category.
08-18-2009, 10:31 AM
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haha.. sitting reserve as the senior guy or the junior dawg make no difference. I get to stay as well (until the 90 goes to msp) I'm surprised a lot of transcon movement. I guess that's one way to make a quick buck for the impending MD once SOC completes.
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