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Old 04-01-2013, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
He was watching me make phone calls and would say every once in a while "wow this makes no sense... I don't get it." He didn't care as much as he was a commuter.

Both the charter coordinators refused to put our names on the Gen Dec, and I had caused about as much of a fuss as I was willing to do. So, I'll be putting that in my report.

Be forewarned, it is intl military charter policy to not allow crewmembers to ride in the back when empty unless you are scheduled to deadhead on that aircraft. I'll do my part in fighting the good fight, and hopefully others will as well. Sure would have been nice to both get home to my son early as well as save the company money.
There was nothing the Captain could do. This is as I mentioned a policy and requirement of the military. They own the flight and cover insurance. There was a bulletin about this last summer. I am surprised crew scheds was not aware of it. The issue has come up over and over again on charter flights.
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Old 04-01-2013, 03:44 AM
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I figured it out.
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Old 04-01-2013, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Trying to justify your move?

Come over to the airbus, I've seen (but thankfully have not flown) 6 leg days here!
Ha, I've got a feeling both will have a plethora of 5 leg days.

Btw, I'be got a line this month and after looking at the reserve availability lists that makes me happy. We may not be at min staffing on the jet but reserves are there.
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Old 04-01-2013, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There was nothing the Captain could do. This is as I mentioned a policy and requirement of the military. They own the flight and cover insurance. There was a bulletin about this last summer. I am surprised crew scheds was not aware of it. The issue has come up over and over again on charter flights.
Sailingfun,

Can you provide a bit more information? I understand it is the customer's airplane. But Delta's insurance cover makes no discrimination for charter operations and includes "war risks" coverage. Further, a pilot on duty only source of recovery against Delta under the law would be workman's compensation, right?

Not sure I get the "insurance" angle.

Thanks.
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Old 04-01-2013, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Sailingfun,

Can you provide a bit more information? I understand it is the customer's airplane. But Delta's insurance cover makes no discrimination for charter operations and includes "war risks" coverage. Further, a pilot on duty only source of recovery against Delta under the law would be workman's compensation, right?

Not sure I get the "insurance" angle.

Thanks.
It's been that way a long time. Sounds to me that your problem was getting someone from crew scheduling/duty pilot that wasn't aware.

Military owns the operation, even on empty positioning legs. If DAL slips some non-revs/DHs/JSs on we could face stiff penalties and lose future mil charters.

Your FCR will come back full of holes. Please post their response.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver
It's been that way a long time. Sounds to me that your problem was getting someone from crew scheduling/duty pilot that wasn't aware.

Military owns the operation, even on empty positioning legs. If DAL slips some non-revs/DHs/JSs on we could face stiff penalties and lose future mil charters.

Your FCR will come back full of holes. Please post their response.
I find it odd that the Flight Attendants were allowed to DH on the empty airplane, while the pilots were not...

I guess they have a better union.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:51 AM
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I was actually scared ... if no L&G thread I was going to have to start on my 10,000 word creative writing exercise known as taxes.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver
It's been that way a long time. Sounds to me that your problem was getting someone from crew scheduling/duty pilot that wasn't aware.

Military owns the operation, even on empty positioning legs. If DAL slips some non-revs/DHs/JSs on we could face stiff penalties and lose future mil charters.

Your FCR will come back full of holes. Please post their response.
I shot the holes in there since FA dh's WERE allowed but they would not change our rotation (we were legal) to allow us as well. I'll let you know what they say.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:02 AM
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Hey, all of you Guard or Reserve guys, get ready, they may have to re-activate "Team America".

North Korea just declared war on South Korea!

I don't know if they celebrate April Fools day in North Korea, but if not, that kid really needs an azzwhoopin'.

Or maybe he's just lonely, like his dad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:02 AM
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I find it odd that the Flight Attendants were allowed to DH on the empty airplane, while the pilots were not...

I guess they have a better union.
Timbo, We also DH now DH on mil charters if it complies with the contract. This is a recent change the DOD has approved. The flight attendants don't have a contract and get scheduled for terrible duty days on these charters. In Mar a flight attendant crew was scheduled to DH from ATL to ELP, work to BOS and then work to HNN all in one duty period. We are lucky to have a contract and it prohibits that. The pilots were deadheaded in the day prior to ELP.
I strongly suspect in this case a DH home would have been illegal by the contract. The pilot was correctly scheduled to layover. He was trying to iron man it home. If he was legal to DH then his FCR should be about why crew schedules wasted money not giving him a legal DH home on the flight.
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