Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-31-2013, 06:24 PM
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I'd be curious to hear from an expert if this is just more gruesome to see than a bad ACL, but easier to recover from, or if it's worse in both ways.
03-31-2013, 06:34 PM
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Ok, so who messed up our ability to ride in the back on an intl MIL ferry back to base?
As a result, we had to have transportation to the layover, the hotel, and then we bumped 2 paying pax off of a full regular intl flight this morning since it is now the charter dept policy to not let us ride in the back on an empty airplane. Oh...except the FAs were deadheading on said empty airplane. Even the duty pilot and scheduling were dumbfounded...
I'm guessing I'll be seeing plenty of replays of the accident ya'll are talking about!
As a result, we had to have transportation to the layover, the hotel, and then we bumped 2 paying pax off of a full regular intl flight this morning since it is now the charter dept policy to not let us ride in the back on an empty airplane. Oh...except the FAs were deadheading on said empty airplane. Even the duty pilot and scheduling were dumbfounded...
I'm guessing I'll be seeing plenty of replays of the accident ya'll are talking about!
You couldn't fly in the back of a mil charter, so you had to layover? Then you had to deadhead the next morning, but yet there were FAs deadheading on the mil charter? If they were DHing why weren't you DHing? Were you scheduled to DH on a mil charter? Maybe you were deviating from DH?
03-31-2013, 06:41 PM
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Sorry, I'm not getting what you're saying...partly due to the fact I'm not familiar with the policy.
You couldn't fly in the back of a mil charter, so you had to layover? Then you had to deadhead the next morning, but yet there were FAs deadheading on the mil charter? If they were DHing why weren't you DHing? Were you scheduled to DH on a mil charter? Maybe you were deviating from DH?
You couldn't fly in the back of a mil charter, so you had to layover? Then you had to deadhead the next morning, but yet there were FAs deadheading on the mil charter? If they were DHing why weren't you DHing? Were you scheduled to DH on a mil charter? Maybe you were deviating from DH?
Brilliant, isn't it?
I sent in an FCR- I'm intrigued as to the response.
03-31-2013, 06:43 PM
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03-31-2013, 07:26 PM
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He was watching me make phone calls and would say every once in a while "wow this makes no sense... I don't get it." He didn't care as much as he was a commuter.
Both the charter coordinators refused to put our names on the Gen Dec, and I had caused about as much of a fuss as I was willing to do. So, I'll be putting that in my report.
Be forewarned, it is intl military charter policy to not allow crewmembers to ride in the back when empty unless you are scheduled to deadhead on that aircraft. I'll do my part in fighting the good fight, and hopefully others will as well. Sure would have been nice to both get home to my son early as well as save the company money.
Both the charter coordinators refused to put our names on the Gen Dec, and I had caused about as much of a fuss as I was willing to do. So, I'll be putting that in my report.
Be forewarned, it is intl military charter policy to not allow crewmembers to ride in the back when empty unless you are scheduled to deadhead on that aircraft. I'll do my part in fighting the good fight, and hopefully others will as well. Sure would have been nice to both get home to my son early as well as save the company money.
03-31-2013, 07:42 PM
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Hot Tip for those of you who live in MSP or find yourself there with wheels and some extra time on your hands:
Toured the 45th Parallel Distillery just across the river in New Richmond, WI yesterday. $5 for a tour and a tasting. Neat little operation. They produce their own Straight Bourbon, Straight Rye Whiskey, and high-end vodka from locally sourced grain under their own brand, as well as mid-priced gin and vodkas under the Midwest brand, and contract work for several Aquavits, flavored vodkas, and limoncellos/orangecellos. Tasting includes liberal portions of all of the above...bring a DD for maximum enjoyment!
Toured the 45th Parallel Distillery just across the river in New Richmond, WI yesterday. $5 for a tour and a tasting. Neat little operation. They produce their own Straight Bourbon, Straight Rye Whiskey, and high-end vodka from locally sourced grain under their own brand, as well as mid-priced gin and vodkas under the Midwest brand, and contract work for several Aquavits, flavored vodkas, and limoncellos/orangecellos. Tasting includes liberal portions of all of the above...bring a DD for maximum enjoyment!
03-31-2013, 08:15 PM
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Wow. That broken leg was gruesome. The players reaction to sit down was probably the correct one. I know when I coached soccer and assisted with hockey we always had the players sit or skate away from the incident. This way the player in need could get help from a trainer without having to fight through a crowd.
03-31-2013, 10:29 PM
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I think he was talking about the Anterior Cruciate Ligament. Not the kitten lover. =)
That leg break was nasty. Not the way I wanted to spend a van ride to DTW. It'll be a miracle if that kid can ever even walk straight again. Such a shame.
That leg break was nasty. Not the way I wanted to spend a van ride to DTW. It'll be a miracle if that kid can ever even walk straight again. Such a shame.
04-01-2013, 12:44 AM
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Ok, so who messed up our ability to ride in the back on an intl MIL ferry back to base?
As a result, we had to have transportation to the layover, the hotel, and then we bumped 2 paying pax off of a full regular intl flight this morning since it is now the charter dept policy to not let us ride in the back on an empty airplane. Oh...except the FAs were deadheading on said empty airplane. Even the duty pilot and scheduling were dumbfounded...
I'm guessing I'll be seeing plenty of replays of the accident ya'll are talking about!
As a result, we had to have transportation to the layover, the hotel, and then we bumped 2 paying pax off of a full regular intl flight this morning since it is now the charter dept policy to not let us ride in the back on an empty airplane. Oh...except the FAs were deadheading on said empty airplane. Even the duty pilot and scheduling were dumbfounded...
I'm guessing I'll be seeing plenty of replays of the accident ya'll are talking about!
04-01-2013, 12:48 AM
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Has anyone cyphered the total number of additional required staffing, if any, for DL WRT to the new rules?
The rules will be what they will be, but there are 2 different possibilities: keeping the current contractual 2/3/4 man block hour limits versus sliding that grid one hour forward WRT the FT/DT changes.
I really don't see much of an advantage to the company to push deeper into Europe, etc with the extra hour of 2 man ops if the no exceptions "must be legal at throttle up" concept remains part of the final rules. I do see the company pushing for relief for narrowbody ops though, particularly high cycle hub flying i.e. 717/88/320/etc. If a crew starts to overblock they can always replace them at a hub with minimal risk to the operation. Trying to get 8:01-8:59 2 man to Europe or back with varying headwinds (giggity), etc and a taxi out delay of as little as 1 minute up to 59 minutes would mean a messy cancellation/gate return and the real world would quickly outstrip the fancy spreadsheet benefits on paper.
Unless they overblocked to protect against that. But if they did that, they would eliminate the efficiencies they were trying to gain in the first place.
I assume the company will approach us for this, and I assume we will seriously consider giving them that concession. We will of course want "something" for it, but IMO since there is no way they will offer anything of equal or greater value (otherwise they gain nothing) we would be selling some degree of safety, even if its small, in exchange for something else. I hope we don't go down that road. Honestly, I hope the company doesn't even ask.
The rules will be what they will be, but there are 2 different possibilities: keeping the current contractual 2/3/4 man block hour limits versus sliding that grid one hour forward WRT the FT/DT changes.
I really don't see much of an advantage to the company to push deeper into Europe, etc with the extra hour of 2 man ops if the no exceptions "must be legal at throttle up" concept remains part of the final rules. I do see the company pushing for relief for narrowbody ops though, particularly high cycle hub flying i.e. 717/88/320/etc. If a crew starts to overblock they can always replace them at a hub with minimal risk to the operation. Trying to get 8:01-8:59 2 man to Europe or back with varying headwinds (giggity), etc and a taxi out delay of as little as 1 minute up to 59 minutes would mean a messy cancellation/gate return and the real world would quickly outstrip the fancy spreadsheet benefits on paper.
Unless they overblocked to protect against that. But if they did that, they would eliminate the efficiencies they were trying to gain in the first place.
I assume the company will approach us for this, and I assume we will seriously consider giving them that concession. We will of course want "something" for it, but IMO since there is no way they will offer anything of equal or greater value (otherwise they gain nothing) we would be selling some degree of safety, even if its small, in exchange for something else. I hope we don't go down that road. Honestly, I hope the company doesn't even ask.
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