Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-17-2009, 06:10 PM
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How many Delta pilots will work 6 days between now and the end of Sept?
If Delta is such a great career, then why are some of you wanting my flying? Something doesn't compute?
Tell me why I would want to commute to reserve Maddog FO in JFK...I don't see the appeal...In fact, by reading some of your posts...I don't think some of you want to do it either
If Delta is such a great career, then why are some of you wanting my flying? Something doesn't compute?
Tell me why I would want to commute to reserve Maddog FO in JFK...I don't see the appeal...In fact, by reading some of your posts...I don't think some of you want to do it either
FIrst off you need to talk to more DAL Pilots. I would gladly fly a Bi-Plane if it paid good and I could drive to work. Not everyone cares about the size of the aircraft. The most fun I have ever had flying was as a Navy T-34C (Turboprop) instructor Pilot.
Second off - To each his own, If you are happy in your current career that is great, enjoy your time off, but then why are you wasting time getting defensive about your job in the Majors Forum?
Third - You mention "Your flying" What flights does your airline market? I could not find your website to buy a ticket from "Your" airline. This is perhaps the biggest risk of staying at a DCI carrier - your company does not control its fate, but provides lift at the request of DAL management. Who knows which contracts will be renewed or which will be terminated? The history of connection carriers trying to go it alone is not that promising. Unless you are in the last 5-10 years of your career anything, good or bad, can and probably will happen sooner or later.
Lastly - You would not want to commute to JFK as a FO - No one does. It is a sacrifice that many are willing to make for the short term while anticipating a great long term pay-off.
No one is trying to take your flying. Most Pilots at Delta would just like to see Delta Pilots flying Delta passengers , who purchase a Delta ticket, on Delta.com.
Surely you do not condone the dog eat dog world that DCI carriers are currently in, each trying to underbid the other and fight for a shrinking percentage of DCI flying?
Good Luck and Enjoy your time off!
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08-17-2009, 06:12 PM
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Well Joe, I wish you and all of those who desire to stay at the Regionals all the best. I've started over several times, so I know what it's like. At this point in time it's just business and we are interested in making a solid business case for lift that our company has sub-contracted out. It's not only business, but as our union leadership is starting to see, it's politics as well. Many of us are getting involved in these issues. I wish we could all win in this, but I'm afraid there will be winners and losers in this battle. Fortunately you're senior, so along with seniority comes a little bit of safety.
All the best....
TC
All the best....
TC
Many of us at the regionals have been involved in this issue for many years....I first got involved in ALPA 15 years ago. Many ASA and CMR pilots have been involved longer than that...There were ASA and CMR pilots involved in ALPA's first scope committee back in 1995...Yet here we are 14 years later still pointing fingers and circling the wagon....The warnings were largely ignored.
I can buy the argument that you are looking out for your interests...What I have a hard time believing is that you are trying to look out for my best interests....I've been in this business long enough to know that now pilot group looks out for another pilot group....Look at the current SWA/F9 debate...We all look out for our own interests...
Good luck to you as well....Remember it's just business...
08-17-2009, 06:18 PM
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...Didn't you have an autopilot also?
Originally Posted by newKnow
Someone on here (I think it was Tomcat) said all he needed was wings. Me too. I think a lot of others mainline pilots feel the same way. Give us the airplanes and we'll figure out the pay later.
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08-17-2009, 06:25 PM
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I don't know too many ASA pilots who want to wait 12-15 years to make what they could make at Delta in two or three. We want the regional jets on our pay, our work rules, our ops, our attendants, our everything.
And by most accounts Joe you're right that the MEC seems not to want them but remember they represent the pilots and there are a whole lot of pilots who see EJets and get that those should be ours. They over looked the 50 seaters but airplanes big enough to have engines under the wings gets most guys attention.
Knew... the 1900C, awesome plane. Wish I'd flown it.
And by most accounts Joe you're right that the MEC seems not to want them but remember they represent the pilots and there are a whole lot of pilots who see EJets and get that those should be ours. They over looked the 50 seaters but airplanes big enough to have engines under the wings gets most guys attention.
Knew... the 1900C, awesome plane. Wish I'd flown it.
08-17-2009, 06:27 PM
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Hats off! Scoop, I found where we agree, hooray.
08-17-2009, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Second off - To each his own, If you are happy in your current career that is great, enjoy your time off, but then why are you wasting time getting defensive about your job in the Majors Forum?
Originally Posted by Scoop
Third - You mention "Your flying" What flights does your airline market? I could not find your website to buy a ticket from "Your" airline. This is perhaps the biggest risk of staying at a DCI carrier - your company does not control its fate, but provides lift at the request of DAL management. Who knows which contracts will be renewed or which will be terminated? The history of connection carriers trying to go it alone is not that promising. Unless you are in the last 5-10 years of your career anything, good or bad, can and probably will happen sooner or later.
Originally Posted by Scoop
Lastly - You would not want to commute to JFK as a FO - No one does. It is a sacrifice that many are willing to make for the short term while anticipating a great long term pay-off.
Originally Posted by Scoope
Surely you do not condone the dog eat dog world that DCI carriers are currently in, each trying to underbid the other and fight for a shrinking percentage of DCI flying?
08-17-2009, 06:57 PM
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Many of us at the regionals have been involved in this issue for many years....I first got involved in ALPA 15 years ago. Many ASA and CMR pilots have been involved longer than that...There were ASA and CMR pilots involved in ALPA's first scope committee back in 1995...Yet here we are 14 years later still pointing fingers and circling the wagon....The warnings were largely ignored.
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I can buy the argument that you are looking out for your interests...What I have a hard time believing is that you are trying to look out for my best interests....I've been in this business long enough to know that now pilot group looks out for another pilot group....Look at the current SWA/F9 debate...We all look out for our own interests...
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Good luck to you as well....Remember it's just business...
Many of us at the regionals have been involved in this issue for many years....I first got involved in ALPA 15 years ago. Many ASA and CMR pilots have been involved longer than that...There were ASA and CMR pilots involved in ALPA's first scope committee back in 1995...Yet here we are 14 years later still pointing fingers and circling the wagon....The warnings were largely ignored.
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I can buy the argument that you are looking out for your interests...What I have a hard time believing is that you are trying to look out for my best interests....I've been in this business long enough to know that now pilot group looks out for another pilot group....Look at the current SWA/F9 debate...We all look out for our own interests...
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Good luck to you as well....Remember it's just business...
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TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman
DATEecember 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.
The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.
The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:
We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier.
We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.
Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:
Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.
The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.
COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
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08-17-2009, 07:16 PM
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What we want is Delta pilots to do Delta flying. There are some places where the economic or regulatory imperatives don't allow that (our international JV, or the Alaska codeshare for example.) We shouldn't do that flying. Where there is no rational reason to share our code, we shouldn't codeshare. There's a reason your corporation's contract to fly DL code has a bunch of cost tripwires. You're going to find that "your" flying isn't actually yours. It's about to start decreasing. Look what's happened to CMR. Look at the 136 furloughs on your property.
That "cush" schedule you brag about makes you have "legacy" cost problems against Compass and RAH.Don't try to masquerade that what you attempted to do in 2000 was "solve" the problem. It was a seniority grab, pure and simple.
08-17-2009, 07:16 PM
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You might be right that our MEC doesn't care about the "little airplanes." But, I think your are wrong if you think the majority of mainline pilots aren't willing to duke it out for scope.
I'm also sure that rather than fighting with our DCI (??) carriers pilots about who gets to fly what, we would much rather say, "welcome aboard." Preferably over beers during a nice long layover with a beach nearby.
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08-17-2009, 07:48 PM
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acl65pilot, will you please run for MEC chair?
You are far more in touch with the real issues than Moak. Seriously. Get a campaign going. It's time for some serious change and the current economic, labor and merger situation is some serious catalyst for it.
You are far more in touch with the real issues than Moak. Seriously. Get a campaign going. It's time for some serious change and the current economic, labor and merger situation is some serious catalyst for it.
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