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22 hour duty days for the convienience of crew scheduling and cost savings through reductions in pilot staffing is a massive hit compared to the current hard 16 limit. To spin it any other way is rediculous. Now if that's not the new rule fine, but what is?
What is the net max duty day, including all reserve time, for the new rules, starting from the beginning of the first minute of being on call? If its greater than 16 for domestic ops, that constitutes a change from current rules and its a change for the worse big time and would represent a huge anti safety concession to the A4A to help "pay for" safety improvements elsewhere and that is unacceptable. Defending that is unbelievable and I hope that's not what you're trying to do.
What is the net max duty day, including all reserve time, for the new rules, starting from the beginning of the first minute of being on call? If its greater than 16 for domestic ops, that constitutes a change from current rules and its a change for the worse big time and would represent a huge anti safety concession to the A4A to help "pay for" safety improvements elsewhere and that is unacceptable. Defending that is unbelievable and I hope that's not what you're trying to do.
I will however make it simple for you. The new rule that replaces Whitlow requires that no short call reserve pilot be on short call more then 14 hours and he can't exceed 16 hours total reserve and actual duty time of the applicable FDP maximums from the tables whichever is less. So in no case is the new rule worse then current and in many cases its better.
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You guys are like a bunch of old women. When you can't find something to complain about you just make up stuff. As I posted in my first post 16/22 is not the new rule. They have this new thing called the internet and google. It can be your friend. Every pilot should have already downloaded the new rules.
I will however make it simple for you. The new rule that replaces Whitlow requires that no short call reserve pilot be on short call more then 14 hours and he can't exceed 16 hours total reserve and actual duty time of the applicable FDP maximums from the tables whichever is less. So in no case is the new rule worse then current and in many cases its better.
5 pages of posts over something that is a figment of someones imagination!
I will however make it simple for you. The new rule that replaces Whitlow requires that no short call reserve pilot be on short call more then 14 hours and he can't exceed 16 hours total reserve and actual duty time of the applicable FDP maximums from the tables whichever is less. So in no case is the new rule worse then current and in many cases its better.
5 pages of posts over something that is a figment of someones imagination!
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You guys are like a bunch of old women. When you can't find something to complain about you just make up stuff. As I posted in my first post 16/22 is not the new rule. They have this new thing called the internet and google. It can be your friend. Every pilot should have already downloaded the new rules.
I will however make it simple for you. The new rule that replaces Whitlow requires that no short call reserve pilot be on short call more then 14 hours and he can't exceed 16 hours total reserve and actual duty time of the applicable FDP maximums from the tables whichever is less. So in no case is the new rule worse then current and in many cases its better.
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Oh great Sailing, now you've insulted old women.
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You guys are like a bunch of old women. When you can't find something to complain about you just make up stuff. As I posted in my first post 16/22 is not the new rule. They have this new thing called the internet and google. It can be your friend. Every pilot should have already downloaded the new rules.
I will however make it simple for you. The new rule that replaces Whitlow requires that no short call reserve pilot be on short call more then 14 hours and he can't exceed 16 hours total reserve and actual duty time of the applicable FDP maximums from the tables whichever is less. So in no case is the new rule worse then current and in many cases its better.
5 pages of posts over something that is a figment of someones imagination!
I will however make it simple for you. The new rule that replaces Whitlow requires that no short call reserve pilot be on short call more then 14 hours and he can't exceed 16 hours total reserve and actual duty time of the applicable FDP maximums from the tables whichever is less. So in no case is the new rule worse then current and in many cases its better.
5 pages of posts over something that is a figment of someones imagination!
If the domestic hard 16 hour time is still there as an absolute max and is still inclusive of all reserve duty then great. If that is the case, I wish people would stop saying "there is no more Whitlow" and "Whitlow doesn't apply anymore" because if that is true, it is identical to Whitlow in every respect. So why ink the waters saying its not like Whitlow when its exactly like Whitlow?
Anyway as for international, 14 hours is the longest one can be on SC as I remember, but does time spent on SC before being called for a trip count as hours on duty for 2/3/4 man ops or is that just dependant on scheduled block hours for the flight in question relative to the circadian grid and all that?
IOW, if pilot A is a lineholder and shows up for his 8:59 block flight that could be a 2 man ops, but if a reserve pilot sits SC for 13:59 and is then given that same flight, would he be legal duty wise first of all, and second of all would he still be legal for a 2 man ops?
Note: the above example assumes an airline that allows 2 man ops up to 8:59, which I hope never transpires here.
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