Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-17-2009, 05:23 PM
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Joe,
When I checked out as a captain at NWA the first time in 2000, the majority of my OE was done in a DC-9-10 (70 seats) and I was happy to be in it. Nine years later, I haven't had a change of heart. The only thing that has changed is that you are flying my little airplane. (And I use the word "my" loosely. I know I don't own it, but we sure gave it away.)
New K Now
When I checked out as a captain at NWA the first time in 2000, the majority of my OE was done in a DC-9-10 (70 seats) and I was happy to be in it. Nine years later, I haven't had a change of heart. The only thing that has changed is that you are flying my little airplane. (And I use the word "my" loosely. I know I don't own it, but we sure gave it away.)
New K Now
You are correct that mainline sold this flying for higher pay, retirement, and workrules...That was a mistake...It is what it is....Some of us have made a good little life flying these "little" airplanes.
In 2000, the ASA and CMR pilots proposed a single list at Delta to stop this back and forth bickering and shifting of flying....I had a former military Delta pilot on my jumpseat during that time period. We were talking about the single list idea, and he said "What about the military pilots? What airplane would they start in if we had a single list?" I said the RJ. He said, that isn't fair...The military pilots shouldn't have to start off in an "RJ".
Much of the blame for this unfortunate situation lies with many of your coworkers...They didn't want to fly these little airplanes.
08-17-2009, 05:26 PM
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I second mxav8r. Pay alone at Delta tells you which airline offers the best career but one little thing I've noticed at Delta vs. the regionals is that I don't feel fatigued at work anymore. Not even on a 5 leg MD88 day in the middle of summer feels as draining as the best day at a regional.
But I probably got emotionally scarred flying 7, 9 and if you're lucky 5 leg days in a Brasilia whose packs might as well have been removed in IAH to all of the backwoods Texas and west Louisiana hotspots.
But I probably got emotionally scarred flying 7, 9 and if you're lucky 5 leg days in a Brasilia whose packs might as well have been removed in IAH to all of the backwoods Texas and west Louisiana hotspots.
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08-17-2009, 05:26 PM
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How many Delta pilots will work 6 days between now and the end of Sept?
If Delta is such a great career, then why are some of you wanting my flying? Something doesn't compute?
Tell me why I would want to commute to reserve Maddog FO in JFK...I don't see the appeal...In fact, by reading some of your posts...I don't think some of you want to do it either
If Delta is such a great career, then why are some of you wanting my flying? Something doesn't compute?
Tell me why I would want to commute to reserve Maddog FO in JFK...I don't see the appeal...In fact, by reading some of your posts...I don't think some of you want to do it either
If I lost ATL I'd go fly the MD88 in JFK happy to still be employed with what I think we all agree is the best airline in the industry.
08-17-2009, 05:28 PM
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You stay there and fly your 7 days this month with 98 hours of pay...I'll stay here and fly 6 days for 75 hours next month....You will make more, and we will both be happy....Deal?
08-17-2009, 05:32 PM
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Me. I live in base, I only have 3 more days and I'm off the rest of the month, I am the bottom of the line holder list and I have 19 days off on a 74 hour line at $72/hr and I've only been here for just a little more than a year and a half. It goes to $88/hr next year.
If I lost ATL I'd go fly the MD88 in JFK happy to still be employed with what I think we all agree is the best airline in the industry.
If I lost ATL I'd go fly the MD88 in JFK happy to still be employed with what I think we all agree is the best airline in the industry.
I make 93.59/hr and get my choice of schedules..sounds like we are both happy where we are.
08-17-2009, 05:36 PM
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Joe, the only thing I am nervous about is how long my grass is going to be when I get home. Other than that nothing really.
As for wanting what I had. Not, I was what was here in 2001. More options and more pilots. A career that had a decent potential.
My schedule is great. Weekends off is not something I complain about.
As for wanting what I had. Not, I was what was here in 2001. More options and more pilots. A career that had a decent potential.
My schedule is great. Weekends off is not something I complain about.
08-17-2009, 05:45 PM
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Joe, the only thing I am nervous about is how long my grass is going to be when I get home. Other than that nothing really.
As for wanting what I had. Not, I was what was here in 2001. More options and more pilots. A career that had a decent potential.
My schedule is great. Weekends off is not something I complain about.
As for wanting what I had. Not, I was what was here in 2001. More options and more pilots. A career that had a decent potential.
My schedule is great. Weekends off is not something I complain about.
This career still has a "decent potential"...but it isn't going back to what it once was....
08-17-2009, 05:48 PM
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Tomcat,
Thanks for the respectful post. I understand where you are coming from. Allow me to make a case for some of us "lifers"....I started vacation yesterday. It is one week of vacation that has been extended into 5 weeks. Between today and the end of Sept., I will work two 3 day trips. Several of your co-workers have just admitted above this post, that they would probably bid something like that.
I was one of those evil ASA/CMR pilots who tried to get ALPA and DALPA to look as this problem years ago...To no avail...They weren't interested in a single list or flying "little" airplanes...I decided to stay and enjoy QOL and a schedule that I control..Why should I give that up now? I'm not looking to fly 777 to Africa.
I'm not the only one who thinks this way...I would estimate about 35% or so of regional pilots, depending on the carrier, have decided to stay...What's in it for us?
Thanks for the respectful post. I understand where you are coming from. Allow me to make a case for some of us "lifers"....I started vacation yesterday. It is one week of vacation that has been extended into 5 weeks. Between today and the end of Sept., I will work two 3 day trips. Several of your co-workers have just admitted above this post, that they would probably bid something like that.
I was one of those evil ASA/CMR pilots who tried to get ALPA and DALPA to look as this problem years ago...To no avail...They weren't interested in a single list or flying "little" airplanes...I decided to stay and enjoy QOL and a schedule that I control..Why should I give that up now? I'm not looking to fly 777 to Africa.
I'm not the only one who thinks this way...I would estimate about 35% or so of regional pilots, depending on the carrier, have decided to stay...What's in it for us?
All the best....
TC
08-17-2009, 05:59 PM
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Well Joe, I wish you and all of those who desire to stay at the Regionals all the best. I've started over several times, so I know what it's like. At this point in time it's just business and we are interested in making a solid business case for lift that our company has sub-contracted out. It's not only business, but as our union leadership is starting to see, it's politics as well. Many of us are getting involved in these issues. I wish we could all win in this, but I'm afraid there will be winners and losers in this battle. Fortunately you're senior, so along with seniority comes a little bit of safety.
All the best....
TC
All the best....
TC
We are just trying to in-source what was out sourced.
08-17-2009, 06:08 PM
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Up until Dec. of last year, I was flying an ATR 72....It held 66 pax...Was that your "little airplane" also?
You are correct that mainline sold this flying for higher pay, retirement, and workrules...That was a mistake...It is what it is....Some of us have made a good little life flying these "little" airplanes.
In 2000, the ASA and CMR pilots proposed a single list at Delta to stop this back and forth bickering and shifting of flying....I had a former military Delta pilot on my jumpseat during that time period. We were talking about the single list idea, and he said "What about the military pilots? What airplane would they start in if we had a single list?" I said the RJ. He said, that isn't fair...The military pilots shouldn't have to start off in an "RJ".
Much of the blame for this unfortunate situation lies with many of your coworkers...They didn't want to fly these little airplanes.
You are correct that mainline sold this flying for higher pay, retirement, and workrules...That was a mistake...It is what it is....Some of us have made a good little life flying these "little" airplanes.
In 2000, the ASA and CMR pilots proposed a single list at Delta to stop this back and forth bickering and shifting of flying....I had a former military Delta pilot on my jumpseat during that time period. We were talking about the single list idea, and he said "What about the military pilots? What airplane would they start in if we had a single list?" I said the RJ. He said, that isn't fair...The military pilots shouldn't have to start off in an "RJ".
Much of the blame for this unfortunate situation lies with many of your coworkers...They didn't want to fly these little airplanes.
I started flying passengers in a BE-1900 C model, so you are going to have a hard time trying to out "little airplane" me.
And if a major had hired me to the right seat of a 50 seater in 1995, I would have taken it. No flying is beneath me. Someone on here (I think it was Tomcat) said all he needed was wings. Me too. I think a lot of others mainline pilots feel the same way. Give us the airplanes and we'll figure out the pay later.
New K Now
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